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1 posted on 12/18/2001 3:29:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 12/18/2001 3:30:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I like this article but there is an element of wishful, or maybe "hopeful" thinking, here.

I hope the news continues good. But I will not be happy until we have Osama's head on a bayonet alongside Omar's.

4 posted on 12/18/2001 3:37:10 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the 1998 destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, the 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole. The limp and feckless American reaction to these acts of war--a token cruise missile here, a showy indictment there, empty threats everywhere--only reinforced the radical Islamic conviction that America was a paper tiger, fat and decadent, leader of a civilization grown weak and cowardly and ripe for defeat.

They took the concept of “representative” democracy a little too literally.

The fat, decadent, weak and cowardly leader was an aberration, whose time has passed.

5 posted on 12/18/2001 3:37:23 PM PST by dead
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good article! I think I read it before here on Fr, but it is well worth reposting.
6 posted on 12/18/2001 3:38:14 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bump
8 posted on 12/18/2001 3:39:46 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; *Clash of Civilizatio
To repeat:

What must be decided is not who is right and wrong--one can never appease the grievances of the religious fanatic--but whose God is greater. After Afghanistan there can be no doubt. In the land of jihad, the fall of the Taliban and the flight of al-Qaeda are testimony to the god that failed.

12 posted on 12/18/2001 3:43:50 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yea George W. Bush! His administration and our fighting men and women!
14 posted on 12/18/2001 3:45:25 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm STILL raving that this herd of camel-dung eaters actually attacked this nation to promote their bass-ackwards 13th Century psychosis on us and took our 4,000 innocent lives in the process.

They need to be stomped out of existence the second we identify such threats.

The Radical Muslim Fundamentalist - The 21st Century's answer to "Whack-A-Mole".

17 posted on 12/18/2001 3:47:49 PM PST by Caipirabob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
C.K. has them pegged.
20 posted on 12/18/2001 3:50:16 PM PST by Zorobabel
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump
21 posted on 12/18/2001 3:50:19 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Good article, and this may be a quibble, but....

The West has not fought a serious religious war in 350 years. America is too young to have fought any.

Well, not quite. WW2 was a war against two forces -- the Nazis and the Japanese -- who thought that they were divinely fated to win. Close enough to a religious war to make little difference.

We beat them both, by crushing them so badly that they knew that they had no such fate on their side. Mind you, then we built them back up until they were on our side, more or less.

22 posted on 12/18/2001 3:50:20 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
the first Afghan war that chased the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan--and led to the collapse of a superpower, no less.

The author was doing pretty well until he got to the above, at which point I quit reading because he clearly revealed himself as a revisionist liberal not worth reading. It is pretty amazing that such a person could come across as somewhat hawkish, though.

MM

24 posted on 12/18/2001 3:52:32 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In the land of jihad, the fall of the Taliban and the flight of al-Qaeda are testimony to
the god that failed.


For some who won't recognize the allusion, the last phrase is to a book about
disillusionment with another failed system: communism.

Here a short cite from www.amazon.com:
The God That Failed
by Richard Crossman (Editor), David Engerman
25 posted on 12/18/2001 3:54:30 PM PST by VOA
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That is where the mad dreamers are vulnerable: the dream can be defeated by reality. What was left of Nazi ideology with Hitler buried in the rubble of Berlin? What was left of Bonapartism with Napoleon rotting in St. Helena? What was left of Fascism, an idea that swept Europe and entranced a generation, with Mussolini's body hanging upside down, strung up by partisans in 1945?

Why did they leave out Communism?

30 posted on 12/18/2001 3:58:33 PM PST by independentmind
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is beginning now not because our propaganda is good. Not because al-Jazeera changed its anti-American tune. Not because a wave of remorse spontaneously erupted in places like Saudi Arabia. But because, with our B-52s, our special forces, our smart bombs, our daisy cutters--our power and our will--we scattered the enemy.

A good start. Now round up the evil Imans here in America advocating violence overthrow of the West. Treat them as the latter day Bolsheviks they most certainly are.

33 posted on 12/18/2001 4:05:53 PM PST by aculeus
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no more crazy than Hitler's dream of the Thousand-Year Reich or Napoleon's of dominion over all Europe.

Actually, far more crazy. Hitler and Napoleon both had a significant possibility of pulling it off. As did Communism.

The radical Muslims never had any such chance (except in their dreams).

35 posted on 12/18/2001 4:06:38 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Great article.

Maybe we need to create a new bumper-sticker: Mohammed sucks.

40 posted on 12/18/2001 4:35:24 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach, cyn, Alamo-girl
What the secular West fails to understand is that in fighting religious fanaticism the issue--for the fanatic--is not grievance but ascendancy. What must be decided is not who is right and wrong--one can never appease the grievances of the religious fanatic--but whose God is greater. After Afghanistan there can be no doubt. In the land of jihad, the fall of the Taliban and the flight of al-Qaeda are testimony to the god that failed.

What an impressive article. Thanks for the this post. Quite extraordinary. And dead-on.

42 posted on 12/18/2001 4:53:13 PM PST by Republic
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BUMP!
47 posted on 12/18/2001 5:28:03 PM PST by dead
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
CK has these goobers dead to rights.
49 posted on 12/18/2001 5:47:31 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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