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Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531
Catholic History | 12 12 2001 | Cap'n Crunch

Posted on 12/12/2001 7:21:41 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch

In the year 1531 in Mexico, the Holy Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego, a peasant who was converting to Catholicism. It was the 9th of December, the original feast day of the Immaculate Conception, when Juan Diego was on his way to the Church for instruction and to hear Holy Mass. Juan heard someone calling him "Juanito...Juan Dieguito." Juan Diego looked to the top of Tepeyac Hill and saw a lady of overpowering brillance and beauty, who's garments shone like the sun. She appeared to be about 14 years old.

The Lady introduced herself in these words: "Know for certain, dearest of my sons, that I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God, through whom everything lives, the Lord of all things, who is Master of Heaven and Earth. I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me where I will show and offer all my love, my compassion, my help and my protection to the people. I am your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who live united in this land, and of all mankind, of all those who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear there weeping and sorrows, and will remedy and alleviate their sufferings, necessites and misfortunes." She told Juan Diego to go the Bishop Zumarraga and tell him what he had seen and heard.

Juan Diego bowed reverently and said "My Holy One, my Lady, I will do what you ask of me."

Bishop Zumarraga had been sent by Spain to the New World to convert and instruct the native people. At that time in Mexico human sacrifice to the gods Quetelcoatl and Coatlicue, and various other pagan gods were occuring, as many as 20,000 victims would be sacrificed at the dedication of a temple.

Bishope Zumarraga had not been having much success converting the Aztec and native people and distrust and anger was spreading amongst the two. He had been praying to God for assistance and a sign, the sign was that of roses. Roses would be the sign that Bishop Zumarraga wanted in order to know that he was doing the right thing. But now it was December and roses were not blooming.

Juan Diego arrived and was greeted by the Bishop. The Bishop welcomed him warmly but upon hearing his story dismissed him pleasantly. Juan Diego thought he had failed and after hearing Mass and instruction returned to his home.

Our Lady appeared to him again, asking him if he had had success with the Bishop. Juan told Our Lady that he did not think the Bishop believed him and that perhasps she should send someone of greater importance. Our Lady smiled at Juan Diego, telling him that she had chosen him to be the deliverer of the message and urged him to return to the Bishop the next day and again make the request.

Juan Diego did return the next day and again gave the Bishop the message. Bishop Zumarraga was surprised to see Juan Diego again so soon. He questioned him a bit at length and again dismissed him. Now he wondered if there were something too Juans message. Before dismissing Juan Diego the Bishop told Juan that he needed a sign from the Lady to be convinced. Juan asked the Bishop what kind of sign he would like and he would tell the Lady the Bishops reequest. The Bishop told Juan that he would leave the sign up to the Lady to deliver.

On his way back home Juan Diego again encountered Our Lady. He told her that the Bishop had requested a sign but did not say what the sign should be. Our Lady told Juan: "That is very well,my little son, return here tomorrow and you will have the sign he requested." She also told him that he would be rewarded for all he had done on her behalf.

When Dec. 11th came Juan Diegos uncle, Juan Bernardino, was gravely ill and Juan Diego stayed by his side and did not go to the Bishop. All night he prayed and attended to his uncle until the morning of the 12th when his uncle took a turn for the worse. Juan wanted to get a priest to enable his uncle to recieve the sacraments before he died.

Juan now had a dilemma, if he went past Tepeyac hill he was sure to encounter the Lady. He wanted to get the priest in order to bring him to his uncle before he died but did not want to disappoint Our Lady so he decided to go around the other side of Tepeyac hill. He thought that surely Our Lady would understand.

As Juan Diego tried to duck Our Lady he was suddenly intercepted by her, as she called out to him "What is the matter my little son?" "Where are you going?" Juan explained to the Lady "Noble Lady, it will grieve you to hear what I have to say. My uncle, your poor servant, is very sick. He is suffering from the plague and is dying. I am hurrying to the Church in Mexico City to call a priest to here his confession and give him the last rites. When I have done this, I will return here immediately to convey your message." "Please forgive me and be patient with me. I am not decieving you. I promise to faithfully come here tomorrow with all haste."

There was a pause. Our Lady looked at Juan Diego and uttered the words that have rung down through nearly 5 centuries. "Listen and let it penetrate your heart, my dear little son, do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?" She then assured Juan that his uncle would not die from his illeness and at this very moment was cured.

She told Juan to go to the top of Tepeyac Hill and pick as many flowers as he could carry and bring them down to her. Juan climbed the hill and could not believe the multitude of Castilian Roses blooming on the top. They were blooming out of season. He gathered as many as he could carry and brought them down to Our Lady, who arranged them in his tilma (poncho made of cactus plant fibers. Our Lady arranged them and folded them up in Juans tilma. She told him that this was the sign that the Bishop wanted and to take them to him.

Juan Diego finally got in to see the Bishop with his bundle. The Bishop recieved Juan and Juan told him the following. "Your Excellency, I obeyed your instructions, very early this morning, the celestial Lady told me to come and see you again. I asked for the sign which you requested and which she had promised to give me. She told me to climb to the top of the hill where I had previously seen her, to pick the flowers growing there. I knew quite well that the summit of the hill was no place for flowers to grow, especially this time of year, but I did not doubt her word. When I reached the top, I was astonised to find myself surrounded by beautiful flowers. I plucked as many as I could carry and brought them back to her. She arranged them with her own hands and replaced them in my robe in order that I might bring them to you. Here they are. Behold, recieve them." With that Juan Diego released the ends of his tilma and the flowers, mingled with Castillian Roses, cascaded to the floor in a profusion of colour and perfume.

Zumarraga gazed speechless at the roses, the sign that he had been praying for peace in the country. Full of wonder he lifted his eyes back up to Juan Diego to find that the tilma now had an image of Our Lady appearing on it.

From that day, December 12th 1531, the tilma has survived, miraculously. At that time 8 million Mexicans and Aztec Indians converted to Catholicism. The human sacrifice to the pagan gods ceased.

For nearly 500 years there have been miracles through Our Lady and the tilma. Scientists have studied it, socialist revolutionaries tried to destroy it, there have been volumes written about the tilma, which is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

On this feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which means to the Aztecs "she who crushes the head of the serpent" I would urge you to read the story, say some special prayers to Our Lady, particularly to end the human sacrifice of abortion in this country.


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To: Delbert
See post 53 or 57. This is the miraculous tilma. That painting is on a poncho that was worn by Juan Diego, the man who saw Mary. The image miraculously appeared on it after Mary arranged roses in Juan Diegos poncho and presented them to the Bishop.

There have been an untold number of books about the appartion and the tilma, which is still on display in the Church in Mexico. You can go see it if you wish, millions do every year.

It is much like the Shroud of Turin in that scientistst cannot explain its manufacture let alone its existence after nearly 500 years. Nor can they explain the images in the eyes, which have been looked at by at least 16 opthamologists who have testified that looking into the eyes on the image is like looking into the eyes of a human being. There are roughly 6 or 7 people reflected in the eyes of the Virgin on the tilma.

The whole thing is very fascinating.

101 posted on 12/12/2001 9:56:03 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch; pro-life
Very kind of you CC to pretend not to see the insult in pro-life's post.
103 posted on 12/12/2001 9:56:18 AM PST by wtc911
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To: wtc911
Thank you,

My Mother taught me some manners. ;0)

104 posted on 12/12/2001 9:59:37 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Delbert
No man cometh to the Father but by Me and Mom! Didn't you know that?
105 posted on 12/12/2001 10:00:02 AM PST by babylonian
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To: grammarman
> By the way -- and I'm sure you RCs have an answer for this one -- if she was sinless, why did she say her spirit rejoiced in God her Savior (Luke 1:47)? Someone who's sinless doesn't need a Savior.

She was saved before she was born. She was knit before she was in her mother's womb.

Thanks. Sorry to be such a Berean but, do you have a Scripture reference for that, please?

106 posted on 12/12/2001 10:05:07 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: Delbert
Just reading some info in the back of one of my books. It says that 20 Million people visit the Basillica in Mexico to see the image every year, the natural life of such a cactus poncho is 20 years, after that they turn to dust. For the first 100 or 200 years it hung in the open air. Socialists tried to destroy it by planting a bomb under it in 1921.

In 1979 it underwent infra red testing that would have revealed overpainting, alterations, the presence of varnish, sizing or preliminary drawings.

Still unexplained.

I suggest getting a few books on the subject because the info and miracles fill volumes.

107 posted on 12/12/2001 10:06:25 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
If any of you have cable and are interested, I'm sure Mother Angelica will have several stories on the apparition tonight on EWTN.

Great network. She had alot on Guadalupe last year.

108 posted on 12/12/2001 10:08:02 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: fishtank
We have a winner! Fishtank was there as Jesus grew from childhood to adulthood. Fishtank knows and is kind enough to tell us that in all 33 years Jesus never once called Mary his mother. Quick, get me the Vatican, we have to change everything.

Before you fall back on the theory that if it's not in the NT Jesus didn't say it, think. What did he call Mary when he was five years old? or seven? ou profess to know what he d idn't call her, what name did he use?

109 posted on 12/12/2001 10:09:05 AM PST by wtc911
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To: sinkspur
Without feeling the need to be courteous themselves because they always have the "I'm defending my mother" attitude which lets them be hyper offended whenever they want.
110 posted on 12/12/2001 10:09:28 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Cap'n Crunch
For your information, several years ago an article appeared in The St. Louis Review, Catholic newspaper, in which this story about Guadalupe was admitted to have been made up for political-religious reasons. I was stunned to see it but pleasantly surprised that they came clean on the issue.
111 posted on 12/12/2001 10:12:00 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: Delbert
From Catholic Biblical Apologetics

First it is important to note that the Bible does not say that these "brothers and sisters" of Jesus were children of Mary.

Second, the word for brother (or sister), adelphos (adelpha) in Greek, denotes a brother or sister, or near kinsman. Aramaic and other semitic languages could not distinguish between a blood brother or sister and a cousin, for example. Hence, John the Baptist, a cousin of Jesus (the son of Elizabeth, cousin of Mary) would be called "a brother (adelphos) of Jesus." In the plural, the word means a community based on identity of origin or life. Additionally, the word adelphos is used for (1) male children of the same parents (Mt 1:2); (2) male descendants of the same parents (Acts 7:23); (3) male children of the same mother (Gal 1:19); (4) people of the same nationality (Acts 3:17); (5) any man, a neighbor (Lk 10:29); (6) persons united by a common interest (Mt 5:47); (7) persons united by a common calling (Rev 22:9); (8) mankind (Mt 25:40); (9) the disciples (Mt 23:8); and (10) believers (Mt 23:8). (From Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Thomas Nelson, Publisher.)

Protestant reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin also believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

God bless.

112 posted on 12/12/2001 10:21:30 AM PST by Gophack
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To: Cap'n Crunch
i went to the page on post #57...it took me to a web page with a picture of mary and a cherub at the bottom....it didnt look like a poncho or a cactus...
113 posted on 12/12/2001 10:22:53 AM PST by Delbert
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To: Gophack
poor Joseph....bad enough that his fiance is pregant and not by him...but after Jesus is born...he still doesn't get any? thats unjust.
114 posted on 12/12/2001 10:25:02 AM PST by Delbert
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To: eastsider
#70: ...and the unborn.
115 posted on 12/12/2001 10:26:43 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Delbert
11,178 posts? I better pack a lunch...thats a lot of thread...

No need to start at post 1 -- just jump in and feel free to bring up any religious topic at any time, even if it's been brought up a gazillion times previously (and trust me, it has : ) The "Neverending" thread is a sand box (or mud bog, if you will) that is completely stream of (religious) consciousness.
116 posted on 12/12/2001 10:29:47 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Delbert
The tilma worn by the seer of Guadalupe (Juan Diego) was woven from cactus fibers. Despite its coarse weave, the underlying image has very distinct lines.
117 posted on 12/12/2001 10:32:58 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Cap'n Crunch
No catholic bashing here. My irenic mom studied catholicism for several years, and took me along. The mysticism can be enveloping. I look back fondly on those years, and would like to think it's part of what built in me a questioning nature.

Perhaps that's Mary's intercession. (Though I'm a big Mary Magdelen fan, too.)

Thank you for posting this. Very interesting, and inspiring.

118 posted on 12/12/2001 10:34:17 AM PST by onedoug
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To: al_c
To this day, the physical properties of this image remain scientifically inexplicable.

This is the sort of statement that exacerbates my confusion about religion. The implication seems to be that because science can offer no explanation it is evidence of some miracle beyond the ken of scientists and understandable only through religion. In other words, it is an appeal to my logic.

In the body of the original post, however, there is a description of events wherein Juan has several meetings with Mary. The description recounts how, on the one hand, Mary was unaware of whether Juan had met with the Bishop or not. Then, on the other hand, when the Bishop doesn't reveal to Juan what "sign" he expects, Mary somehow knows this. This strikes me as rather illogical.

I want to make it clear I am not attempting to bash Catholics or Christians and that I appreciate the "heavy lifting" done by these and other religions in the formation of Western values of life and liberty. I post to inform that some, me anyway, don't understand, and an occasional appeal to logic concerns me. It suggests deception.

119 posted on 12/12/2001 10:36:07 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Bumping on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
120 posted on 12/12/2001 10:36:54 AM PST by Salvation
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