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AIDS Funding totally out of control

Posted on 12/09/2001 8:43:56 PM PST by David Lane

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Dog walking. Pet care for people with AIDS is covered while those sick from other diseases starve in the streets and die waiting for affordable housing.

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Luxury vacations. Embezzled funds pay for trips to Disneyworld as AIDS execs waste Ryan White money on fun-in-the-sun Virgin Island junkets.

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Political contributions. San Juan AIDS bureaucrats divert $2.2 million in Ryan White funds to elections campaigns and jeopardize services for the sick.

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Drug company subsidies. ADAP pays for useless animal research and profitable pills that cause deformity, death and diseases identical to AIDS.

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$200,000+ annual salaries. Sick people live in poverty while fat cats like S.F. AIDS Foundation's Pat Christen make more per year than most mayors, governors and members of Congress.


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regardless of HIV antibody status.


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It is time that we all demand an end to this madness. Homophobia is one thing but to fund AIDS at the rate of 388 that of HPV and similar ratio's to other major diseases is utter madness. The gay front charaties are robbing us blind and using much of the money for 'fisting classes' and gay sex education. Write to your representitives and say NO MORE AIDS FUNDING.

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1 posted on 12/09/2001 8:43:56 PM PST by David Lane
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To: David Lane
David "Lane" are you Pasquarelli? Or someone like that, because...I don't believe there is such a thing as homophobia. If you are connected with that website you is wrong. HIV & AIDS are well documented and proved, however, it is true that there is a certain amount of things to be said about the theories floating around, ie, the ones advanced by Dr...(forgot his name) about linking HIV and drug-taking/multiple partner homosexual sex.

You won't get an argument in this forum I'm sure, that AIDS gets a disproportionate amount of funding. And, I have a feeling you are affiliated with ACTUPSF. MOST of us here will NOT AGREE with the gay agenda. Period. Full stop.
2 posted on 12/09/2001 8:57:53 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
Dear grlfrnd, I am not connected in any way to Act Up but do fully agree with them about the mad over funding of AIDS. I am straight, but that does not mean I must disagree with the few gay people who speak out against the disgraceful waste of public money and criminal lies and exaggerations that surround AIDS.

Thank you for your comments.

Best wishes,

David Lane

3 posted on 12/09/2001 9:04:08 PM PST by David Lane
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To: David Lane
AIDS is a political disease. The homosexual community is full of activists who spend a large amount of their time advocating their viewpoint. What they really need to do is keep their pants zipped up and try to be less of a burden on society.
4 posted on 12/09/2001 9:15:07 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: David Lane
One thing I have learned due to my own health issues, is that those millions of us with other immune problems - read autoimmune diseases - benefit from AIDS research. I agree that it is ridiculous it is nearly impossible for researchers to obtain federal funding for any work that does not mention AIDS somewhere in its proposal.

It does my twisted heart good to think that the liberal left out raising money for AIDS research may help cure Rush's deafness.

5 posted on 12/09/2001 9:23:45 PM PST by falfa
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To: AlaskaErik
Yeah, just the other night, I heard Elton John say, "Forget the bombing in Afghanistan, AIDS is the real bomb." -- Please. As if AIDS is magically spread by Republican AIDS bombs.
6 posted on 12/09/2001 9:48:04 PM PST by goorala
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To: AlaskaErik
Latest statistics from The California Department of Health show AIDS is all but non-existent.
Female mortalities in 2001 now stand at a mere 35 in the whole of the State of California.
AIDS at only 7.5% of 1995 levels. A 92.5% drop in six years.

AIDS drops an average (between the sexes) of 57% in a single year. The largest drop ever and over twice the decline between 1999 and 2000.

Why is that stunning fact ignored by the media?

7 posted on 12/09/2001 9:52:56 PM PST by David Lane
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To: David Lane
One interesting fact, that requires careful calculations based on the California Department of Health figures, is that of the 35 women who died of AIDS in California this year only two were non drugs using caucasians. TWO!

Some of the road crossings in Los Angeles have claimed double that figure. An epidemic with deaths equal to a single dangerous road crossing? Give us a break!

8 posted on 12/09/2001 10:00:53 PM PST by David Lane
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To: David Lane
David these figures are great. I agree, Pasquarelli/ActupSF, and those people are .....*strange* however, they are gay activists sounding the alarm about the sexually provative ads, calling Ashcroft, etc. These things I agree with, in addition, they are against huge tax dollars for HIV.

In an unrelated issue, I am very concerned with Kidney problems, I've had a cat that died from it, my h.s. best friend died from it, and another friend/co-worker is currently on dialysis sadly. I can think of a lot of other things we could be funding more. Even broken bones!
10 posted on 12/09/2001 10:45:43 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Djk
I could not agree more. I read that AIDS in India caused 2.2 million deaths in one year but when I researched the figure I found that the official figure from the Indian Government (the only people who compile figures in India) was a mere 14,000 in seventeen years.

AIDS in America is almost non existent but the media is full of figures supplied by gay front charities that give quite the opposite impression. Every trick of statistics is used to distort the facts and keep the mad over funding flowing.

We all work very hard for our money and don't need the Government to waste billions and billions in such a criminal manner.

Best wishes,

David Lane

11 posted on 12/09/2001 10:52:55 PM PST by David Lane
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To: grlfrnd
Dear grlfrnd, I am very sorry to hear about your cat and your friend. I am a great cat lover and would go insane if anything happened to my two.

Research spending should be in proportion to mortalities and other social problems and not based who has the most vocal pressure group. Spending on AIDS is 388 times the level (per mortality) of that on HCV ( which kills far more people in America.

Have you got a new kitten? I hope so.

Very best wishes, David

12 posted on 12/09/2001 11:01:01 PM PST by David Lane
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To: grlfrnd
HIV & AIDS are well documented and proved

After having studied both the orthodox view of HIV and AIDS, and the dissident views of HIV and AIDS, I can tell you that "well documented" only applies to studies that already ASSUME HIV causes AIDS. However, if you do try to find the study or even several studies that together show that HIV causes AIDS, you will never find it.

The entire mess of HIV/AIDS research is flawed from the beginning when Dr. Robert Gallo claimed that he had isolated a retrovirus that was the "PROBABLE" cause of AIDS.

Dr. Gallo has had a horrible track record in his medical research. Prior to claiming to have found HIV (also known as HTLV-III), Gallo had done the following: In 1975 his lab "isolated a retrovirus from human leukemia cells" [aka HL23V]. Gallo faced humilation when he presented the finding at the Virus-Cancer program's yearly conference. Other scientists had tested his virus and discovered it to be a mixture of contaminating retroviruses from woolly monkeys, gibbon apes, and baboons. Gallo tried to save his reputation, speculating wildly that perhaps one of the monkey viruses caused the human leukemia. This excuse did not fly, and he later described the event as a "disaster" and "painful," admitting that it placed "human retrovirology, and me with it, at a very low point."

In 1980 Gallo was finally credited for discovering a genuine human retrovirus, HTLV-I, which he blamed for a leukemia in blacks from the Caribbean. But he ran into trouble trying to find the virus in American leukemia patients. At the same time, a Japanese research team reported isolating a human retrovirus from leukemic patients, which they named ATLV. After they courteously sent Gallo a sample of the virus to compare with his own, Gallo published the genetic sequence of HTLV-I. The sequence of Gallo's Caribbean virus proved to be nearly identical to the Japanese virus; it contained a mistake identical to the one made by the Japanese group. Since all other non-Japanese HTLV-I isolates differed much more widely from the Gallo-Japanese twins, some retrovirologist suggest Gallo may have offered the Japanese sequence as his own. No formal investigation has probed this incident, and Gallo was awarded the prestigious Lasker Prize as the presumed discoverer of the leukemia virus.

Gallo did not stop with his first human retrovirus. He, along with a friend of his, Harvard retrovirologist William Haseltine, "isolated" a second one in 1982. Haseltine had copied the genetic sequence of HTLV-II, the second known human retrovirus, from a presentation at a science conference. He then published the sequence, unknowingly including a deliberate error planted by the Japanese research team who had actually done the work.

In 1984 'Honest Bob' presented the world HTLV-III, which was renamed HIV later, and which became known as 'the AIDS virus'. I am not going to go into detail on the problems of Gallo's work on HIV, as it is well documented in the paper "HAS GALLO PROVEN THE ROLE OF HIV IN AIDS? by the Perth research team published in Emergency Medicine 1993. It is a bit technical, but well worth the read.

however, it is true that there is a certain amount of things to be said about the theories floating around, ie, the ones advanced by Dr...(forgot his name) about linking HIV and drug-taking/multiple partner homosexual sex.

Dr. Peter Duesberg is his name. If you are aware of him, but haven't read much by him, I would recommend reading his extensive paper, AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Noncontagious Risk Factors, published in Pharmacology & Therapeutics in 1992. He has published more recent papers, but this is the most expansive and is very detailed. You can find his more recent papers at his website,

A little background on Duesberg if you aren't aware of his experience:

Peter H. Duesberg Ph.D. is a Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley. In 1968-1970 he demonstrated that influenza virus has a segmented genome. This would explain its unique ability to form recombinants by reassortment of subgenomic segments. He isolated the first cancer gene through his work on retroviruses in 1970, and mapped the genetic structure of these viruses. This, and his subsequent work in the same field, resulted in his election to the National Academy of Sciences in 1986. He is also the recipient of a seven-year Outstanding Investigator Grant from the National Institutes of Health.

On the basis of his experience with retroviruses, Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research, Lancet, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Journal of AIDS, AIDS Forschung, Biomedicine and Pharmacotherpeutics, New England Journal of Medicine and Research in Immunology. He has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various AIDS diseases are bought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and AZT, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS.

And to answer a possible question, as you assumed the earlier poster was associated, no, I am not in any way affiliated with ACTUPSF. Trust me, the issues being debated on the science behind HIV/AIDS is not part of a gay agenda. In fact, the response of the majority of the gay community has been to label Duesberg and other scientists that challenge the role of HIV in AIDS as homophobic.

Some of the many other scientists that agree with Duesberg that HIV is not the cause of AIDS include: Dr. Gordon Stewart who is professor emeritus of public health at Glasgow University, and a former WHO adviser on AIDS; Dr. Etienne de Harven an emeritus professor of pathology, University of Toronto who worked in electron microscopy primarily on the ultrastructure of retroviruses throughout his professional career of 25 years at the Sloan Kettering Institute in New York and 13 years at the University of Toronto; Dr. David Rasnick, a pharmaceutical drug designer who designs protease inhibitors; Dr. Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel prize winner for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction, a technique he says is being erroneously used in AIDS tests; and many, many more researchers.

You can see what these and other scientists are saying about HIV and AIDS by clicking here. You can then read the introductory supporting papers and articles by clicking here.

14 posted on 12/10/2001 1:00:05 AM PST by JameRetief
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Research spending should be in proportion to mortalities

Where is the Constitution does it say that government should be funding research at all?

15 posted on 12/10/2001 6:16:09 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Good point. It may be best if we left research to those without a political agenda.
16 posted on 12/10/2001 11:50:44 AM PST by David Lane
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To: JameRetief
Dear JameRetief,

You are correct in saying that the connection between HIV and AIDS (immune suppression) has never been proven. After twenty years and tens of billions in research there is still not one single scientific paper proving the connection. If anyone thinks they have found one I suggest they go to the ARC website and they will find a $10,000 dollar reward being offered for any such paper.

17 posted on 12/10/2001 12:01:41 PM PST by David Lane
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