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To: David Lane
David "Lane" are you Pasquarelli? Or someone like that, because...I don't believe there is such a thing as homophobia. If you are connected with that website you linked...it is wrong. HIV & AIDS are well documented and proved, however, it is true that there is a certain amount of things to be said about the theories floating around, ie, the ones advanced by Dr...(forgot his name) about linking HIV and drug-taking/multiple partner homosexual sex.

You won't get an argument in this forum I'm sure, that AIDS gets a disproportionate amount of funding. And, I have a feeling you are affiliated with ACTUPSF. MOST of us here will NOT AGREE with the gay agenda. Period. Full stop.
2 posted on 12/09/2001 8:57:53 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
Dear grlfrnd, I am not connected in any way to Act Up but do fully agree with them about the mad over funding of AIDS. I am straight, but that does not mean I must disagree with the few gay people who speak out against the disgraceful waste of public money and criminal lies and exaggerations that surround AIDS.

Thank you for your comments.

Best wishes,

David Lane

3 posted on 12/09/2001 9:04:08 PM PST by David Lane
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To: grlfrnd
HIV & AIDS are well documented and proved

After having studied both the orthodox view of HIV and AIDS, and the dissident views of HIV and AIDS, I can tell you that "well documented" only applies to studies that already ASSUME HIV causes AIDS. However, if you do try to find the study or even several studies that together show that HIV causes AIDS, you will never find it.

The entire mess of HIV/AIDS research is flawed from the beginning when Dr. Robert Gallo claimed that he had isolated a retrovirus that was the "PROBABLE" cause of AIDS.

Dr. Gallo has had a horrible track record in his medical research. Prior to claiming to have found HIV (also known as HTLV-III), Gallo had done the following: In 1975 his lab "isolated a retrovirus from human leukemia cells" [aka HL23V]. Gallo faced humilation when he presented the finding at the Virus-Cancer program's yearly conference. Other scientists had tested his virus and discovered it to be a mixture of contaminating retroviruses from woolly monkeys, gibbon apes, and baboons. Gallo tried to save his reputation, speculating wildly that perhaps one of the monkey viruses caused the human leukemia. This excuse did not fly, and he later described the event as a "disaster" and "painful," admitting that it placed "human retrovirology, and me with it, at a very low point."

In 1980 Gallo was finally credited for discovering a genuine human retrovirus, HTLV-I, which he blamed for a leukemia in blacks from the Caribbean. But he ran into trouble trying to find the virus in American leukemia patients. At the same time, a Japanese research team reported isolating a human retrovirus from leukemic patients, which they named ATLV. After they courteously sent Gallo a sample of the virus to compare with his own, Gallo published the genetic sequence of HTLV-I. The sequence of Gallo's Caribbean virus proved to be nearly identical to the Japanese virus; it contained a mistake identical to the one made by the Japanese group. Since all other non-Japanese HTLV-I isolates differed much more widely from the Gallo-Japanese twins, some retrovirologist suggest Gallo may have offered the Japanese sequence as his own. No formal investigation has probed this incident, and Gallo was awarded the prestigious Lasker Prize as the presumed discoverer of the leukemia virus.

Gallo did not stop with his first human retrovirus. He, along with a friend of his, Harvard retrovirologist William Haseltine, "isolated" a second one in 1982. Haseltine had copied the genetic sequence of HTLV-II, the second known human retrovirus, from a presentation at a science conference. He then published the sequence, unknowingly including a deliberate error planted by the Japanese research team who had actually done the work.

In 1984 'Honest Bob' presented the world HTLV-III, which was renamed HIV later, and which became known as 'the AIDS virus'. I am not going to go into detail on the problems of Gallo's work on HIV, as it is well documented in the paper "HAS GALLO PROVEN THE ROLE OF HIV IN AIDS? by the Perth research team published in Emergency Medicine 1993. It is a bit technical, but well worth the read.

however, it is true that there is a certain amount of things to be said about the theories floating around, ie, the ones advanced by Dr...(forgot his name) about linking HIV and drug-taking/multiple partner homosexual sex.

Dr. Peter Duesberg is his name. If you are aware of him, but haven't read much by him, I would recommend reading his extensive paper, AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Noncontagious Risk Factors, published in Pharmacology & Therapeutics in 1992. He has published more recent papers, but this is the most expansive and is very detailed. You can find his more recent papers at his website, Duesberg.com.


A little background on Duesberg if you aren't aware of his experience:

Peter H. Duesberg Ph.D. is a Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley. In 1968-1970 he demonstrated that influenza virus has a segmented genome. This would explain its unique ability to form recombinants by reassortment of subgenomic segments. He isolated the first cancer gene through his work on retroviruses in 1970, and mapped the genetic structure of these viruses. This, and his subsequent work in the same field, resulted in his election to the National Academy of Sciences in 1986. He is also the recipient of a seven-year Outstanding Investigator Grant from the National Institutes of Health.

On the basis of his experience with retroviruses, Duesberg has challenged the virus-AIDS hypothesis in the pages of such journals as Cancer Research, Lancet, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Science, Nature, Journal of AIDS, AIDS Forschung, Biomedicine and Pharmacotherpeutics, New England Journal of Medicine and Research in Immunology. He has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various AIDS diseases are bought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and AZT, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS.


And to answer a possible question, as you assumed the earlier poster was associated, no, I am not in any way affiliated with ACTUPSF. Trust me, the issues being debated on the science behind HIV/AIDS is not part of a gay agenda. In fact, the response of the majority of the gay community has been to label Duesberg and other scientists that challenge the role of HIV in AIDS as homophobic.

Some of the many other scientists that agree with Duesberg that HIV is not the cause of AIDS include: Dr. Gordon Stewart who is professor emeritus of public health at Glasgow University, and a former WHO adviser on AIDS; Dr. Etienne de Harven an emeritus professor of pathology, University of Toronto who worked in electron microscopy primarily on the ultrastructure of retroviruses throughout his professional career of 25 years at the Sloan Kettering Institute in New York and 13 years at the University of Toronto; Dr. David Rasnick, a pharmaceutical drug designer who designs protease inhibitors; Dr. Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel prize winner for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction, a technique he says is being erroneously used in AIDS tests; and many, many more researchers.

You can see what these and other scientists are saying about HIV and AIDS by clicking here. You can then read the introductory supporting papers and articles by clicking here.

14 posted on 12/10/2001 1:00:05 AM PST by JameRetief
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