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Church ought not to oppose condoms (Whine and cheese alert)
Mpls (red)Star Tribune ^
| 12/9/01
| Joe Selvaggio
Posted on 12/09/2001 7:20:04 AM PST by Valin
Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:03 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: nomasmojarras
if a person was truly working in God's interest, they would not be interested in politics and personal/political power...they would be interested in cultivating faith and God's love within their congregation.
This has been an issue since the begining. We are called to be in the world but not of it. The problem the religous left has is they have put the cart before the horse.
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posted on
12/09/2001 8:06:07 AM PST
by
Valin
To: Valin
St. Thomas Aquinas, perhaps the Catholic Church's greatest theologian, once argued that rape, while a sin, was not as great a sin as masturbation, since intercourse was a natural act while masturbation was not. Today we smirk at this kind of reasoning. Hopefully, someday soon we will look at the pope's pres ent position on condoms as equally absurd and harmful.Well this so called writer is probably right about rape being a greater sin. However, masturbation is the ultimate insult to oneself by oneself, as a Buddhist friend of mine once remarked.
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To: wwjdn
1 Timothy 2 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.Though you purport to quote this passage favourably, your support of condom distribution and the obvious unacceptability of the above suggest that your views are actually the reverse.
You are implying by quoting these passages that Christian theology is just as cruel as the Qu'ran.
Please say what you mean and defend your position.
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To: Kennard
Though you purport to quote this passage favourably, your support of condom distribution and the obvious unacceptability of the above suggest that your views are actually the reverse. My support of condom usage has no bearing on the scripture that I quoted directly from the Bible. I personally do not belive in pre-marritial sex. That does not preclude me from allowing some protection from disease. I say some protection becuase condoms are not 100% effective in Aids prevention.
My views are not the reverse. You are reading what I didn't write, which means you are translating what I wrote to fit your views.
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posted on
12/09/2001 8:28:14 AM PST
by
wwjdn
To: Valin
"I pray that he will soon have the courage to reverse himself and apologize to the millions of poor who have suffered and even died because of the church's attitude toward condoms."
hunh?
oh wait, I get it, condoms will make everything all better, no more suffering, poverty or disease. Yes, I understand now, recycled condoms are the answer to all the worlds problems.
I'm finally free!
To: wwjdn
Actually, this almost definitely refers to the husband-wife relationship, not all men-all women. The words for "man" and "woman", to my understanding, should better be translated husband and wife as they are everywhere else in the NT (again, from what I hear).
That actually makes more sense: it has to do with the roles between spouses when it comes to teaching; this also reconciles better with the teaching that 'there is no man or woman, Jew or Greek, slave or free in Christ,' else all women are subjected to all men.
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To: nomasmojarras
Many Catholic Priests do....there are many victimized boys who can attest to that. Define 'many,' skunk.
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To: nomasmojarras
There is even a view, including my own, that the main responsibility for the spread of AIDs is the participating individuals. If they are receiving any aid, it is too much. Furnishing the condoms to continue abhorrent behavior causes the problem to continue by a false sense of security. More aid means more problems.
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12/09/2001 8:56:16 AM PST
by
meenie
To: MitchellC
Sorry, this verse does not speak in reference to a mariage only, you are mistaken.
It also speaks of how women should present themselves. 1 Timoth 2:9-10 - 9 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
Thsi clearly shows God's position for women.
Now let me restate what has slipped due to my haste. Women are very, very important! Without women there would be no church and there would be no man. Women play a very vital role in the church. Their roles can change how a church views these topics without having a leadership role. The leadership role is all I object to. Women have been trying to rule over man since Adam and Eve.
My wife is very influential to me, and I to her. In my house I am the head of the household (which some would call master, but not I), but I am a gentle loving christian who loves my wife more than I love anyone, even myself.
IS this clearer?
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posted on
12/09/2001 9:01:02 AM PST
by
wwjdn
To: nomasmojarras
It is always sad to see the Bible taken out of context and corrupted by sinners.
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12/09/2001 9:02:42 AM PST
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wwjdn
To: dighton
...Joe left the priesthood in 1968 to apply the gospel more practically and directly to issues of peace and civil rights. During those years he also helped organize Cesar Chavez's United Farm Workers.
That about says it all don't it?
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posted on
12/09/2001 9:03:26 AM PST
by
Slyfox
To: nomasmojarras
No...I guess I don't live my life by the Bible completely..... I didn't have sex with my father like Lot's daughters.
Where is the commandment "thou shalt get your pops drunk and screw him like Lot's daughters did" ? Where in the Bible is that in any way ever spoken favorably of?
Give it a rest.
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