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On November 30, the "Snooze & Disturber" published an hand-wringing editorial bemoaning the paucity of statist "quality" control over home school kids. It seems that 38,000 tarheels are off the reservation, and "we" must be concerned, you see.

Grammatically speaking, the first person plural is, in newspeak a euphemism for the state and its coercive elements.

1 posted on 12/06/2001 12:34:24 PM PST by TomSmedley (TomSmedley@msn.hotmail.com)
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To: TomSmedley
Good response. Do you have the original editorial somewhere?
2 posted on 12/06/2001 12:39:55 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: TomSmedley
Now is probably a good time to educate the system of educators on the virtues of Home Schooling...


4 posted on 12/06/2001 12:46:41 PM PST by bluetoad
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To: TomSmedley
RIGHT THE EFF ON!!!!!! Tell 'em again mon!
5 posted on 12/06/2001 12:53:06 PM PST by Maceman
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To: TomSmedley
Funny. There was a time, not so long ago, when NO ONE worried about hearing "we" in reference to our citizenship in our state and our nation.

Now, crackpots and extreme America-haters take every opportunity to equate national pride, or pride in one's state or community, as "dangerous."

Get a life, you weirdos.

9 posted on 12/06/2001 1:36:12 PM PST by Illbay
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To: TomSmedley
Appararently the NEA takes exception to a portion of school age kids not being exposed to loony left idology. Huge bump for this parent! Slam the left hard and often!
13 posted on 12/06/2001 2:01:49 PM PST by wjcsux
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To: TomSmedley
On November 30, the "Snooze & Disturber" published an hand-wringing editorial bemoaning the paucity of statist "quality" control over home school kids.

The Snooze and Disturber is a leftist publication based on what I have seen of it.

They are also wrong about this. The State requires all homeschoolers to take annual State approved achievement tests. Homeschoolers outscore the government schooled students consistently.

15 posted on 12/06/2001 2:05:57 PM PST by OK
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To: TomSmedley
Homeschooler bump. As if our children were their cattle. Just because they herd them like cattle...
16 posted on 12/06/2001 2:06:07 PM PST by MarMema
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To: TomSmedley
It is coercive. Children are under the guardianship of their parents, not of The State. And rightly so.
17 posted on 12/06/2001 2:27:58 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: TomSmedley
“North Carolina is depending on today’s children to grow into the type of skilled workforce that attracts new business and investment. We ignore the education of 38,000 of these priceless resources at our peril.”

What is wrong with this excerpt from Friday’s editorial page?

What's wrong with it? Well for one, those 38,000 kids in peril are the best educated kids in the state.

19 posted on 12/06/2001 2:44:16 PM PST by Always Right
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To: biblewonk
Homeschool bump.
20 posted on 12/06/2001 2:47:29 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: TomSmedley
If they are worried about the "quality" of those "resources" they better get them out of public school!


22 posted on 12/06/2001 2:49:01 PM PST by mamaduck
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To: TomSmedley
38,000 * ~5000/yr = ~$190,000,000/yr

If NC, like most other states, reduces the per pupil funding when students pull out of public school, the bureaucrats have a financial incentive to get them back. Usually this is accomplished by enlisting the Social Services scum to get the children into the foster care system, upon which they are required to attend public school.

26 posted on 12/06/2001 3:22:07 PM PST by meadsjn
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“North Carolina is depending on today’s children to grow into the type of skilled workforce that attracts new business and investment. We ignore the education of 38,000 of these priceless resources at our peril.”

You probably know about this site, but in case you don't:

HR 1385 Workforce (Investment/) Development Means Life-Long Indoctrination

Molding Human Resources for a Global Workforce

http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles.html . See articles under 'Education'. The rest of the site is excellent as well.

Illbay, you might want to take a look. The 'education' plans of the 'state' are not just for the kids.

30 posted on 12/06/2001 5:04:08 PM PST by Ethan_Allen
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What, pray tell, is a "janissaries"? Or what are "janissaries"? Anyhow, it's not important. North Carolina has 38,000 homeschoolers? That's great! Guess what, NC statists? Children aren't "products." And they certainly aren't "creatures of the state." They really don't owe anybody anything. They don't "owe" the state a workforce. Government is the servant of the people. People aren't the servants of government and parents will educate their children as they see fit. And apparently 38,000 or so parents don't see public education as a good enough educational option for their kids. Do you know what all this concern about regulating homeschoolers leads to? School-to-Work and a planned economy. How can we "the state" entrap homeschoolers into the same life-long learning,womb-to-tomb, government-controlled, wage-slavery as our public school kids? Just because some parents are smart enough to leave the system, doesn't mean that their children should suffer the same fate as government-educated children.
31 posted on 12/06/2001 5:09:47 PM PST by bettina0
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Thank ye greatly, but I'ld prefer to abstain from your so called "education". It may come as a suprise to this fellow, but the children of his state are not the property of the state! Novel, yes, but true! I'ld break it to him all those tax dollars for his edercation' projects shouldn't be the state's either, but he would likely die from shock.
44 posted on 12/06/2001 7:30:40 PM PST by Cleburne
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Well, we've been homeschoolers for nearly 18 years..........the last seven in North Carolina. I do NOT "register" with the State. It's none of their damned business what I do. We homeschool through junior high, and our kids then attend public high school here (pretty good, college-prep oriented high schools). By time they enter high school, they are WELL prepared and have been told that they can take whatever courses they wish based upon their (meticulously maintained and readily presented) standardized test scores. Any drooler at the Noise and Disturber that wants to challenge me on homeschooling vs. public schooling had best bring along plenty of sandpaper........for they'll get one helluva shellacking.
47 posted on 12/06/2001 7:45:45 PM PST by RightOnline
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I've heard some horror stories out of N.C. One family I'm aware of in that state lost some of their adoptive children because of overzealous school officials.
48 posted on 12/06/2001 7:53:30 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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Basically, here's the way it works: the government says, "You're using federal money to educate your children, so we have a right to tell you how to do it."

Where did they get their money?

From the same parents that they're now telling how to educate their children.

Oh, yeah. That makes sense. </sarcasm>

52 posted on 12/07/2001 4:44:45 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH
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To: TomSmedley
Grammatically speaking, the first person plural is, in newspeak a euphemism for the state and its coercive elements.

That's an excellent observation. Your rebuttal was also excellent - nicely phrased, concise, and accurate. Good work!

55 posted on 12/07/2001 5:32:11 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: TomSmedley
I'm not sure what the original article said exactly, but my impression is that the notion that children belong to the "State", and the parents have no rights is one of the foundations of Fascism.
56 posted on 12/07/2001 5:37:17 AM PST by Publius6961
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