Posted on 12/05/2001 7:22:16 AM PST by Starmaker
Please understand, this isn't about FR or free speech or even the poor men who get there jollies flashing pics like this. My confusion lays in why men who say they want X sort of woman tolerate this behavior, (which I deem is the giggle factor), in mixed company at a place that is designed for more serious pursuits.
It feels very much like the scenerio I described in my quiz, except that as I wander from room to room, I keep running into guys flashing pics for the thrill of it and no one seems to mind. No man does what half the men I asked said was the appropriate response.
Now relate this to the subject of this thread.....that a woman should make a home that is valuable and inviting to a man. Should not the man at least try and make a society that is valuable and inviting to a woman? I'd think it would be hard to remain feminine in a world where you had to grow such a tough skin to sheild yourselve from the lewd and crude. Men cry for pre sixties women yet seem not to make the connection between the changes in the women and the changes in the world they must exist in.
Now it's my turn to ask if I'm making any sense.
If guys want to change society back, they're going to have to go after women like me.
Watch what they do, not what they say they would do. This thead demonstrates how some men would really behave in your scenario: Teen testifies he was totally teacher's pet. Take notes. I did. Some of the responses changed my perceptions of those involved.
Real women want real men. Arrested development at the giggling locker room stage of euphemisms for female anatomy is so unattractive.
You are absolutely correct, but your ideas won't get much mileage here on FR. Not too many men here realize that a culture saturated in female sexual imagery is not likely to produce the kind of women they want for wives. And it is completely illogical to expect that you can sleep with as many women as you want, and then be able to find a faithful, dedicated wife. (Where are all those women going to come from, anyway?)
I tried to point this out on a thread a few days ago, and was hammered for my "anti-man" comments.
The article says a woman should not confuse her priorities. That if she focuses on a career, she developes different skills and attitudes that may not serve her well in the job of wife and mother. I'm wondering if perhaps it extends beyond that statement, beyond the workplace and into society itself. How does a women maintain her femininity in a world that seems to demand she tough it out, get used to it, get over it or leave.
I think there is a distiction between being hard and being strong. Women can be either or both. Men seem to value 'strong' but don't want 'hard' yet they don't seem to be willing to fight the battles that would maintain a society in which a woman need not harden herself. I have enjoyed this and will come back to it and read all the posts, but right now I have to finish the venison stew that I have been working on. Beleive it or not I did shoot the deer. I would have rather my husband had been here to drag it back and gut it though. (grin).
Speak for yourself. I have been very happily married to a busy, neurotic, overachiever for 21 years, 5 months, and counting.
I think times have changed a bit, or perhaps my reaction has changed. Lately I more often hear, "You are so lucky to be a stay-at-home Mom".....
It wasn't so much luck, as planning. And I feel fortunate that I am able to have as my number one priority, my family and home.
But, even if a woman works, her home should be a refuge - a place where her family wants to be and feels safe and loved. That "refuge" has always been my goal....and the relationship my children have with their Father and I shows this very well.
I'm sorry I missed this before. What do I want....
I want to walk from my car to the grocery without having some guy hoot and grab his crotch. I don't want to stand in front of the mirror and practice looking tough, practice flipping the bird with conviction as had been recommended by a friend.
I want to be able to remain feminine I guess. It's not like there is a switch that you can turn off and on. Well, that's not totally true, but the more you use that switch, the more often you have to turn off the woman in you, the harder it gets to turn it back on I guess.
Men who want a feminine women need to think about what there is about this society than creates the opposite.
It takes TWO incomes to finance a mortgage of that size, because the average wage is in or around £20,000. I happen to earn more than that. But if I fall in love with a guy earning less money than me, I'd marry him, if he is the `right' guy. But I would like to have a roof over the heads of my 'potential' children. So why shouldn't I work to do that.
Your argument is void. You are thinking black and white. There are so many grey areas here.
My father lost his job during the recession years in Ireland. My mother (god rest her soul) scrubbed floors the length and breadth of this town to make sure my brother and I got on. Both of us, are now, through her efforts, both fully qualified professional people.
Yeah, my Mam could have stayed at home and brushed my hair and stuff. But she went out and did what had to be done to make sure that her kids, had what she didn't have...a damn good education.
You trying to intimate that MY MOTHER wasn't a lady for doin' that? Damn sure she was. The classiest woman you would ever meet!
So, no! I make no apologies for saying that the sweeping generalisations in the posted article are nothing but...as they say in Ireland...horseshite! (oops, not a very ladylike word...but then, you wouldn't expect anything better from me, would ye?!)
She is beautiful, intelligent, supportive, enticing, warm & fuzzy, AND patriotic!! Every man should be as lucky as Fall Guy!!
Snow Bunny IS femininty!!
By the way, she has this awesome alter ego too...
You are the best, Snow Bunny!
Semper Fidelis,
Norb
That may well be the most unbelievably incredible thing I have ever read.
If guys want to change society back, they're going to have to go after women like me.
I don't think I've seen you, but the most beautiful woman in the world, with whom I fell in love, would not have come close to making any 'supermodel' lists. You can see a photo on my profile page. I miss her.
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