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To: Gumption
Yes I understand what you are saying. The pictures here are not of the level of Playboy. But do you feel they are necessary to the discussion at hand? Do you feel the comments that follow add to the debate? I clicked on a thread about racism and poof...in pops pics of boodilicous Destiniy's Child. No, the pictures weren't pornographic by Playboy standards, but they weren't relevant to the subject of racism. I guess someone else agreed they weren't sexual enough so on the next page they posted this one. I did what you suggested and left the thread because I'd had enough....not of the debate but of the accessories (grin)

Please understand, this isn't about FR or free speech or even the poor men who get there jollies flashing pics like this. My confusion lays in why men who say they want X sort of woman tolerate this behavior, (which I deem is the giggle factor), in mixed company at a place that is designed for more serious pursuits.

It feels very much like the scenerio I described in my quiz, except that as I wander from room to room, I keep running into guys flashing pics for the thrill of it and no one seems to mind. No man does what half the men I asked said was the appropriate response.

Now relate this to the subject of this thread.....that a woman should make a home that is valuable and inviting to a man. Should not the man at least try and make a society that is valuable and inviting to a woman? I'd think it would be hard to remain feminine in a world where you had to grow such a tough skin to sheild yourselve from the lewd and crude. Men cry for pre sixties women yet seem not to make the connection between the changes in the women and the changes in the world they must exist in.

Now it's my turn to ask if I'm making any sense.

181 posted on 12/05/2001 2:22:14 PM PST by the_tisha_girl
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To: the_tisha_girl
Should not the man at least try and make a society that is valuable and inviting to a woman? I'd think it would be hard to remain feminine in a world where you had to grow such a tough skin to sheild yourselve from the lewd and crude.

You are absolutely correct, but your ideas won't get much mileage here on FR. Not too many men here realize that a culture saturated in female sexual imagery is not likely to produce the kind of women they want for wives. And it is completely illogical to expect that you can sleep with as many women as you want, and then be able to find a faithful, dedicated wife. (Where are all those women going to come from, anyway?)

I tried to point this out on a thread a few days ago, and was hammered for my "anti-man" comments.

187 posted on 12/05/2001 2:49:07 PM PST by independentmind
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