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VANITY - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, what solution would YOU propose?
Just Me

Posted on 12/04/2001 3:22:18 PM PST by Republican Party Reptile

I'm asking the question looking for replies and discourse that (hopefully) can raise above suggesting wiping one side or the other off the face of the earth, locking people up in a police state, or expelling either side from the land they occupy today (where would they go? and how would that really solve the problem other then pushing the problem somewhere else?).

What do you think is a viable long term solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and how would one go about making it happen?

As someone who is not of Judeo-Christian-Islamist cultural/religion background, I don't have an religious or idealogical dog in the fight. I have heard and read about the grievences and claims and counter-claims from both sides, while I sympathize, I'll admit that the grievences are not personal to me. I have spent a lot of time in both Israel and Arab nations due to work. I got along and liked the people I came in contact with in Israel and in the Arab states. I think the state of Israel has a right to a secured and peaceful existence, and I think the same for a Palestinian state. But I don't profess to have any idea how this can be realistically accomplished.


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To: Alouette
All one has to do is visit the Tel Aviv broadwalk on a Saturday afternoon to discover that Israel may be the least racist state on the face of the Earth.
141 posted on 12/04/2001 8:11:09 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
no pun intended, I presume :)
142 posted on 12/04/2001 8:12:42 PM PST by College Repub
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To: Sabramerican
Here it is, via my post commenting on it. You also get the delightful lagniappe of a bit of Patria One for you to wade through.
143 posted on 12/04/2001 8:16:24 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
genie out of the bottle

Although the Hashamites are slow learners (1948-1967), they do learn (1973)-which puts them a couple of steps ahead of the other Arabs. With all things being equal, Israel surrounded by Hashamites types would be the best all around. But in the real world they need to go, sacrificed to their creation (the "Palestinians").

144 posted on 12/04/2001 8:16:55 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Tacis
My suggestion is to give nukes to both sides and let them figure out the real estate issues. Kinda like what the US and the USSR worked out.
145 posted on 12/04/2001 8:17:53 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain
I assume you are either being satirical or new to the middle eastern debate with little knowledge of the history.
146 posted on 12/04/2001 8:22:14 PM PST by College Repub
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To: Torie
The more interesting fact is the consistent 15-25% of Jews who are out of their mind.

Arabs in Israel are the minority. Minority status is never wholly comfortable. But they are not stupid, and when push comes to shove they know how well they have it in Israel.

147 posted on 12/04/2001 8:23:31 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
:-)

Late night typo from the deep pleasant subconscious.

148 posted on 12/04/2001 8:29:34 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: College Repub
#148 was meant for you.
149 posted on 12/04/2001 8:31:12 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: wtc911
It seems to me that veronica, BenF, sabra"american", would be perfectly comfortable with the "Pali Final Solution"
150 posted on 12/04/2001 8:34:17 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain
I missed the posts where the posters you named advocated mass slaughter of Palestinians in order to exorcise their existence, assuming that is what you mean by "final solution," which is what most think the term means. Perhaps you could post some link to those opinions by those posters. I have seen that opinion expressed, but not by them, and not by anyone seriously engaged on this subject. Those posts were more in the nature of fly by hits out of emotion.
151 posted on 12/04/2001 8:40:05 PM PST by Torie
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To: College Repub
That logic is flawed. Because before Israel "took over 3/4 of Palestine" (although that's not really what happend), no arab nation-states had the means to attack the USA or support people who would

We had commercial airliners before 1948 and 1967. We had ammonium nitrate. We had dynamite. Many thousands and even millions of American lives are now in great jeopardy because of our continued support of Israel. Israel was helpful to us back in the era when Russia was supporting several Arab nations, but it’s no longer of any use at all to us. It’s only a liability. There are plenty of Jews in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, and all over the country. We don’t have to support Israel in order to prove we like Jews. I like American Jews, except for the Zionistic and racist ones, who are making some tremendous blunders in the Middle East right now. This is turning into a big public relations debacle for Jews in general and for Israel specifically. I don’t think American dollars should go to help subsidize American Zionist vacation condos in Palestine.

Look at this advertisement.........

VACATION CONDO IN ISRAEL

152 posted on 12/04/2001 8:47:57 PM PST by Fred25
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To: Fred25
I don’t think American dollars should go to help subsidize American Zionist vacation condos in Palestine.

I'm not sure I fully understand your point here. Perhaps you might wish to elaborate on it to make it all crystal clear.

153 posted on 12/04/2001 8:51:03 PM PST by Torie
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To: Fred25
What the hell is that supposed to be? It's just an ad for a condo. Are Israeli's not allowed to have nice real estate? There are millions of ads for real estate in the US. This has no connection to US Tax Dollars. Once again, you are making absolutely no sense...
154 posted on 12/04/2001 8:51:37 PM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub
AMERICAN MILLIONAIRE’S VACATION CONDO IN JERUSALEM
155 posted on 12/04/2001 8:53:18 PM PST by Fred25
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To: Fred25
Again, what's your point? There is no connection between taxpayer dollars and these ads. This converastion here miught prove once and for all that you are antisemitic... THESE ARE ADS FOR REAL ESTATE IN ISRAEL. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE USA
156 posted on 12/04/2001 8:55:24 PM PST by College Repub
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To: massadvj
The problem the Palies have is, they are being treated just like the Jews had been treated for last 1300 years prior to the establishment of Israel.

Jews in Arab lands were nobody. They could not own land under Islamic law and if a charge was brought against them from a Moslem they were guilty without trial. What goes around comes around.

157 posted on 12/04/2001 8:56:28 PM PST by kansas_goat_roper
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To: svcw
Correction. Let the Saudis BUY them land. Let the UN, The Saudis, The Europeans, and Us, who now support the Palestinians in squalid refugee camps, BUY peace by moving the Palestinians, lock, stock, and barrel to a bigger, better place, which they can screw up and over-populate to their hearts' content. Then by all means, use all means, including paying them more, to subsidize them to stay in their new land. The Palestinian choice would be an easy one: nice new homes and cool cash, or hot lead.

Pay off the head of each Palestinian household, big time. It amazes me that the Israelis, with all those generations of commercial acumen supposedly behind them, have never thought of this. The chance to solve a problem using Saudi, American, and UN money should prove irresistible.

Kenny Bunk says, Think of the taking over of Israel as buying a slum property with undesirable tenants. Before you fix up the place, you have to relocate them."

This never got done. This simple oversight seems to have been the basic flaw in the original Zionist game plan.

158 posted on 12/04/2001 8:57:50 PM PST by Francohio
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To: Francohio
btt waiting for Fred's reply regarding what he was talking about with the real estate...
159 posted on 12/04/2001 9:08:25 PM PST by College Repub
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