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The Smoking Gun of AIDS: a 1971 Flowchart ^^could this be true?^^
http://www.boydgraves.com ^ | December 6, 2000 | by Boyd E. Graves, J.D.

Posted on 11/23/2001 1:41:24 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: Joe 6-pack
Pretty good memory there Joe, here is the story from www.stanford.edu -

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THE MANCHESTER SAILOR

New York, October 1992

Koprowski was furious.

The article in Rolling Stone had drawn widespread attention, particularly after a major wire service picked up the story and sent it around the world.

As far as Koprowski was concerned, the article threatened to destroy his life's work. He fired off a letter to Science magazine, vehemently dismissing the theory as "the wildest of lay speculation." Then he sued Curtis and Rolling Stone for defamation.

Meanwhile, the Wistar Institute assembled a panel of experts to investigate the central allegations in the Rolling Stone theory.

Six months later, in October 1992, the panel held a press conference in New York to deliver an eight-page report on their findings.

The six experts concluded that the chance that any SIV survived the vaccine tissue culture process "cannot be discounted" but any concentration of SIV particles would have been "extremely low."

Furthermore, the panel noted, oral transmission of SIV/HIV is "extremely rare," and the genetic age of HIV suggested that the virus had existed in humans many years before the vaccination campaign in the late 1950s.

But "the most telling evidence," the six-member panel concluded, "was the case of the Manchester sailor."

The sailor was a British printer named David Carr, who had served in the Royal Navy in the 1950s. In 1958 he was stricken with a mysterious illness and died a year later, suffering from a number of characteristic AIDS symptoms.

His puzzled doctors preserved 50 tissue samples in small paraffin blocks. When some of the specimens were examined in 1990, cells stored in the wax tested positive for HIV, making Carr the earliest known case of AIDS, apparently contracting the disease at least several years before the 1959 Leopoldville case.

The Wistar experts noted that Carr had completed his naval service and returned to England by early 1957 before the Wistar vaccination campaign had begun. "Therefore," the panel said, "it can be said with almost complete certainty that the large polio vaccine trial begun late in 1957 in Congo was not the origin of AIDS."

The report seemed to exonerate Koprowski. But the panel recommended that monkey tissue no longer be used in the manufacture of vaccines because of the risk of contamination from "other monkey viruses which have not yet been discovered."

It also suggested that independent tests be run on a remaining sample of the Wistar vaccine stock that may have been used in Africa to see whether it contained any SIV.

Later, Rolling Stone settled Koproski's lawsuit by publishing a clarification saying it never intended to suggest there was "scientific proof" the vaccine caused AIDS.

41 posted on 11/23/2001 4:35:24 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: fourdeuce82d
NICE CATCH ON THEIR TECHNICAL GOOF!!!
42 posted on 11/23/2001 4:36:52 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Since HIV doesn't CAUSE AIDs, and AIDs is not a sexually-transmitted disease, who gives a rat's ass!
43 posted on 11/23/2001 4:42:12 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: AlaskaErik
This has nothing to do with two terrorists in a boat with a Stinger. This has to do with the well rounded rumour (Started away back in the 80's by a Democrat if memory serves right.) that states that we 'made' the HIV virus. Umm... effeciently bio-engineering such a bug was beyond 70's and 80's tech. late 80's maybe not. bio-tech corn was first being tested then. But not a virus. And flight 800 was, indeed, a terrorist attack. Everyone keep repeating the mantra of wiring fault.. they might believe it.
44 posted on 11/23/2001 4:54:12 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: AlaskaErik
"I'm referring to those who so desperately want to believe that TWA was downed by the government"

Was the US Navy in the immediate vicinity of TWA 800? Did the government initially deny the Navy was in the vicinity?

45 posted on 11/23/2001 4:56:47 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: _Jim
If they truly believed that, they would have grounded ALL 747's fleetwide. They didn't. That means something. Try to think what that means. Get back to us when you can understand the relevance of it all. Hmm.. in the meantime, take this compass and this magnet and go navigate those woods over there. Don't stop till you find the wiseman. *Geez.. another who actually believes the CLINTON version of things*
46 posted on 11/23/2001 4:59:38 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: WOSG
I agree.......
47 posted on 11/23/2001 5:02:16 PM PST by freekitty
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To: _Jim
Give it a break........
48 posted on 11/23/2001 5:05:03 PM PST by watcher1
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To: Darksheare
effeciently bio-engineering such a bug was beyond 70's and 80's tech. late 80's maybe not. bio-tech corn was first being tested then. But not a virus.

I suspect that designing a biological agent that would target people of recent African descent and the rest of us remains far beyond our capabilities now, let alone20+ years ago.

Big difference between slapping a gene into a genome higgly piggly, and designing a virus to target bung boys and africans.

49 posted on 11/23/2001 5:35:20 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Another attempt to form support for reparations?

I'm no expert on AIDS, but I do not remember reading that minorities have an exclusive copyright to it.Besides, after 30+ years the decimation of stated victims should be blatantly obvious and well on its way to completion--or maybe not,since the govt. has been in charge.

Anyone want to join me in mfg.heavy duty aluminum helmets? Tinfoil just won't do the job for this.

vaudine

50 posted on 11/23/2001 5:53:18 PM PST by vaudine
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
This is a case for Rivero, or whatever his name was. Keep his mind off the TW800 for a week or so. Not to worry--his scientific omniscience will immediately determine the truth in this item.
51 posted on 11/23/2001 5:57:55 PM PST by ninenot
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To: Excuse_Me
well being a US Senator has no intelligence requirements. The CIA is responsible for drugs in the blck community too -don't forget.But how a biunch of guys having sex with monkeys and starting a cross species virus to spread becomes the sinister plot of the US government beats me. Now if you are talking syph then that's a different story.
52 posted on 11/23/2001 6:01:19 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Jhoffa_
You can add Georgie Snuffolupagus to the list also, because he said the exact same thing.

No, he said "bombing", which is a little less clear since it was not a bombing.

53 posted on 11/23/2001 6:56:14 PM PST by Excuse_Me
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To: Excuse_Me
Perhaps, but he clearly ticked it off while listing "terrorist" activities..

Which, I thought was pretty telling.

54 posted on 11/23/2001 7:03:08 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: _Jim
Gosh _Jim, can't you let your buddies at the FBI and NTSB handle their own cover-ups? Or is the BATF the only agency involved in closed-case spin control? But, since I know you can't look it up, JP-4 is a military fuel which is much more volatile than Jet A, and so the Iranian Jet, which was hit by lightning may have exploded due to a wing tank, but TWA800 had only Jet A on board. In fact, the Manila explosion is the only other plane claimed to have been lost due to a fuel tank explosion with Jet A fuel. Commander Donaldson revealed the following:

"Fact: In Congressional testimony and in statements repeatedly made in the media, the NTSB leadership characterized the only example of a fuel tank fire involving a Jet-A fueled airliner, a Philippines Air 737 in 1990, as a center fuel tank explosion. Video and still photography, taken after the fire was out, show the center wing tank did not explode."

"...The undercarriage, wheels and center wing box (tank), were structurally sound enough to carry the load of engines and fuel weight in the wings with the aircraft under tractor tow. The gross fire damage to the cabin appears more indicative of a cabin fire, exacerbated by ignition of emergency oxygen canisters, interior plastics, etc. The Philippine crash investigators could not prove a source of ignition for that fire. Had the Center Wing Tank actually exploded in the manner the NTSB leadership suggests the aircraft would have dropped on the ramp and the tons of fuel in the wing would have immediately been involved."

55 posted on 11/23/2001 7:43:03 PM PST by Excuse_Me
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To: _Jim; Joe Hadenuf
Oh, you mean they put military jet feul in TWA 800? Gee.... Modern Airline jet feul [prior to '96] is equilalent to kerosene. I have a kerosene heater, a pain the in B to ignite. Freegards....
56 posted on 12/06/2001 9:03:58 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Excuse_Me; _Jim
Another thing I wonder his Jim's explanation for the orange RDX chemical found on seat cushions in the wreckage. I wonder if he can comprehend how difficult it is to manufacture that US grade military explosive? I heard the head investigator fess up about the RDX chemical to Trafficant in an early hearing. True, Trafficant later said it wasn't a coverup. But I think they convinced Trafficant that it's best not to give terrorists credit for any kills. It's a powerful argument. Freegards....
57 posted on 12/06/2001 9:08:42 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: WOSG
Cost of Alcoa products up 2.3%. There must be a causal relationship!
58 posted on 12/06/2001 9:08:56 AM PST by verity
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To: okie_tech
They know about you.


59 posted on 12/06/2001 9:33:33 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
In 1977, a secret federal virus program produced 15,000 gallons of AIDS.

Um, excuse me... what the f**k does a gallon of AIDS look like anyway?

You forgot yer tin hat alert.

60 posted on 12/06/2001 9:37:48 AM PST by ericthecurdog
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