The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

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[ExiledInTaiwan]

Click here for the book: Origin of Conflict

[Publius6961]

from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state

Since this is an exact analogue of every Muslim Arab country (just reverse "arab" and "Jewish in the lines above), what is your criticism of this approach?

(This ought to be good...)

[Sabramerican]

I havn't been "turned

Now that I believe.

Too bad you only give a flip...

I only give a flip about those deliberately targeted.

[BenF]

What's wrong with this picture?

You tell me.

[Elihu Burritt]

Another way to judge a cycle is to count corpses. Many more Palestinian men, women and children have been killed than Israelis. Palestinians have not only had their homes and fields and livelihoods taken away from them, they are subject to economic strangulation and punitive repressions. They cannot so much as dig a well for desperately needed water without Israeli military permission. Israel's is a harsh, tyrannical occupation that systematically deprives millions of Palestinians basic human rights.

The Palestinians have justification to demand their inalienable rights. The Israeli's have no valid justification to deprive them of those rights. No American or Christian can legitimately dispute that.

[Alouette]

This is a well-argued piece presented in a logical fashion in a fair-minded way.

You could say the same thing about Al Gore.

You like it because it says what you want to hear. Never mind that this is the same-old, same-old, tired LIES we've already heard from the "Kill The Jews!" crowd, just wrapped up in different paper. The sponsors of this recycled dog dung are the same sore losers who were thrown out of power by the Israeli electorate in a whopping defeat, after their famous "Land For Peace" concept fell apart. What it means is since they are no longer in power, they might as well just turn their whole country over to the enemy.

[Elihu Burritt]

Expansion pressures for a greater Israel certainly contribute to the momentum of "the cycle".

Only because of Israeli thinking. The Germans have apparently reasonably solved their own dilemma that was rooted in their heritage of racist thinking. The Israeli's have not.

[freefly]

When it comes to me being "turned",your comments are an excellent example of what I said earlier.
If someone doesn't agree with you to the letter, you insist on turning them into the enemy.
That's exactly the way the Taliban, the Palestinian terrorists, and most other fanatics think.
Enjoy the company you keep.

"I only give a flip about those deliberately targeted."

Some of us give a flip whether they are killed on purpose or "by accident"-
in case you didn't notice, the kids are just as dead no matter what the "intentions" were.
You can claim that there is a difference between your thinking and theirs, but it isn't enough to be proud of.
No matter how much you claim otherwise.

[Lent]

We should now expect you to link to a Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Noam Chomsky version of American history. The more you use leftists and peaceniks to advance your "position" the more stupid and disengenuous you look. Since when does Free Republic become a haven of leftists and liars? Certainly you using this trash is evidence that there are enough closet leftists on Free Republic at least when it comes to Israel.

[MissAmericanPie]

I believe Britian ceded the Jews Israel, so what is the big deal about them buying the land from Arabs instead of demanding they leave? They were much nicer about it than I would have been.

[Stultis]

I love the links in the last chapter. Like to see the usual ilk call the "anti-semites"!

Yeah, I was impressed with the list, but I have a question. How many Palestinian, pro-Palestinian or Arab organization can you list who vigorously protest rifle, bombing, and mortar attacks on Israeli civilians; or that support Jews having full and equal access with Muslims to the temple mount in Jerusalem; or that even support a stable two state solution to the Palestinian crisis emphasizing the importance of security for Israel and the conclusion of peace treaties between Israel and all Arab states?

Another question... Do YOU support all of the above?

My understanding is that, even after a year of the intifada, aropund 60 percent of Israelis continue to support the peace process, whereas around 80 percent of Palestinians oppose it. Virtually every political entity in the entire Western World, including the United States and INCLUDING ISRAEL, is in favor of a peace process leading to the creation of a viable Palestinian state to exist in mutual peace and security alongside Israel. The path of peace is open to the Palestinians and the whole world wants them to have their state. My conclusion is that the Palestinians are fighting not because they have to, but because they CHOOSE to.

[Romulus]

Most Jews do totally support the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security.

>>What's wrong with this picture?<<

You tell me.

Well to begin with, the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security are different ideas. Not necessarily contradictory, but different -- and it's begging the question to conflate the two.

The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.

[Alouette]

I did check it out a few days ago

Oh yeah, you are the one who posted the bogus quote from "Nathan the Atheist" (is he on the authors list of this new! improved! pigwash?) and couldn't come up with a valid URL for any of your allegations.

[Lent]

Another way to judge a cycle is to count corpses. Many more Palestinian men, women and children have been killed than Israelis.

It's called the INTIFADA? An American State official noted the Intifada is terrorism. Therefore blame the palestinians and their long list of terrorist organizations. Take a look and learn why they allow their own people to die. Terrorists, terrorists, and more terrorists:

Terrorist Group Profiles

http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/Groups2.shtml

  Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
  Abu Sayyaf Group
  Al-'Asifa
  Al-Fatah
  Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya
  al-Jihad
  Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB)
  Arab Revolutionary Brigades
  Arab Revolutionary Council
  Armed Islamic Group
  Black September
 Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
  Fatah Revolutionary Council
 15 May Organization
  Force 17
  HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
       HAMAS Special Profile
  Hizballah (Party of God)
       Hizballah Special Profile
  The Islamic Group (IG)
  Islamic Jihad
  Jihad Group
  New iihad Group
  Organization of the Oppressed on Earth
  Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
  Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)
       Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) Special Profile
  Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
  Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
  Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
  Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-Special Command (PFLP-SC)
  Popular Struggle Front (PSF)
  Revolutionary Justice Organization
  Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims
  Talaa'al-Fateh
 Vanguards of Conquest

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Go ahead now. Identify with this bunch and justify their existence.

[Sabramerican]

You see no difference between the deliberate murder of toddlers and the accidental death of innocents in a military defensive action? And to think I wasted a minute on you. Your type belongs on the pro-terrorist side with all your phoney pretensions to virtue.

[BenF]

Well to begin with, the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security are different ideas. Not necessarily contradictory, but different -- and it's begging the question to conflate the two.

OK, you're entitled to your point of view. I disagree.

The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel.

This is not as true as I would like. Ten years ago we had the Crown Heights pogrom and last year we had attacks on Jews in New York and New Jersey. While these are isolated incidents, the media's lack of concern is problematic. And I suspect that if Israel doesn't agree to commit suicide, the media will increase their portrayal of Israel as the "problem" in the ME. That could also lead to increased attacks on Jews in this country. Of course, there have been attacks on Jews in other countries as well. France leaps to mind.

It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.

Ah but the reasons that Israel is more dangerous need to be understood. If Israel would follow the teachings of the Torah and defend themselves according to what HaShem exlained, Israel would be much, much safer. So would the rest of the world.

[Non-Sequitur]

If you really want peace and be rid of the Palestinians then why not just give the West Bank back to Jordan? Don't give them a choice in the matter. Call them in and make it clear that on such and such a date Jordan gets the whole thing back, lock stock and Arafat. And make it perfectly clear that you will hold Amman responsible for the Palestinian good behavior and if Jordan doesn't lean on them and make them behave then the Israeli Air Force won't bomb the West Bank, they'll bomb the East Bank. You are rid of the Palestinians, you have someone else with a vested interest in stopping the terrorist attacks. Someone who has shown in the past that they have no qualms about siccing the army on the Palestinians. How about that?

[timestax]

My gigo-atomizer needs some refined shitoniam!!!