Posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:15 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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Since this is an exact analogue of every Muslim Arab country (just reverse "arab" and "Jewish in the lines above), what is your criticism of this approach?
(This ought to be good...)
Now that I believe.
Too bad you only give a flip...
I only give a flip about those deliberately targeted.
You tell me.
The Palestinians have justification to demand their inalienable rights. The Israeli's have no valid justification to deprive them of those rights. No American or Christian can legitimately dispute that.
You could say the same thing about Al Gore.
You like it because it says what you want to hear. Never mind that this is the same-old, same-old, tired LIES we've already heard from the "Kill The Jews!" crowd, just wrapped up in different paper. The sponsors of this recycled dog dung are the same sore losers who were thrown out of power by the Israeli electorate in a whopping defeat, after their famous "Land For Peace" concept fell apart. What it means is since they are no longer in power, they might as well just turn their whole country over to the enemy.
Only because of Israeli thinking. The Germans have apparently reasonably solved their own dilemma that was rooted in their heritage of racist thinking. The Israeli's have not.
Yeah, I was impressed with the list, but I have a question. How many Palestinian, pro-Palestinian or Arab organization can you list who vigorously protest rifle, bombing, and mortar attacks on Israeli civilians; or that support Jews having full and equal access with Muslims to the temple mount in Jerusalem; or that even support a stable two state solution to the Palestinian crisis emphasizing the importance of security for Israel and the conclusion of peace treaties between Israel and all Arab states?
Another question... Do YOU support all of the above?
My understanding is that, even after a year of the intifada, aropund 60 percent of Israelis continue to support the peace process, whereas around 80 percent of Palestinians oppose it. Virtually every political entity in the entire Western World, including the United States and INCLUDING ISRAEL, is in favor of a peace process leading to the creation of a viable Palestinian state to exist in mutual peace and security alongside Israel. The path of peace is open to the Palestinians and the whole world wants them to have their state. My conclusion is that the Palestinians are fighting not because they have to, but because they CHOOSE to.
>>What's wrong with this picture?<<
You tell me.
Well to begin with, the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security are different ideas. Not necessarily contradictory, but different -- and it's begging the question to conflate the two.
The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.
Oh yeah, you are the one who posted the bogus quote from "Nathan the Atheist" (is he on the authors list of this new! improved! pigwash?) and couldn't come up with a valid URL for any of your allegations.
It's called the INTIFADA? An American State official noted the Intifada is terrorism. Therefore blame the palestinians and their long list of terrorist organizations. Take a look and learn why they allow their own people to die. Terrorists, terrorists, and more terrorists:
Terrorist Group Profiles
http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/Groups2.shtml
Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Al-'Asifa
Al-Fatah
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya
al-Jihad
Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB)
Arab Revolutionary Brigades
Arab Revolutionary Council
Armed Islamic Group
Black September
Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
Fatah Revolutionary Council
15 May Organization
Force 17
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
HAMAS Special Profile
Hizballah (Party of God)
Hizballah Special Profile
The Islamic Group (IG)
Islamic Jihad
Jihad Group
New iihad Group
Organization of the Oppressed on Earth
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)
Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) Special Profile
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-Special Command (PFLP-SC)
Popular Struggle Front (PSF)
Revolutionary Justice Organization
Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims
Talaa'al-Fateh
Vanguards of Conquest
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Go ahead now. Identify with this bunch and justify their existence.
OK, you're entitled to your point of view. I disagree.
The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel.
This is not as true as I would like. Ten years ago we had the Crown Heights pogrom and last year we had attacks on Jews in New York and New Jersey. While these are isolated incidents, the media's lack of concern is problematic. And I suspect that if Israel doesn't agree to commit suicide, the media will increase their portrayal of Israel as the "problem" in the ME. That could also lead to increased attacks on Jews in this country. Of course, there have been attacks on Jews in other countries as well. France leaps to mind.
It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.
Ah but the reasons that Israel is more dangerous need to be understood. If Israel would follow the teachings of the Torah and defend themselves according to what HaShem exlained, Israel would be much, much safer. So would the rest of the world.
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