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To: BenF
Most Jews do totally support the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security.

>>What's wrong with this picture?<<

You tell me.

Well to begin with, the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security are different ideas. Not necessarily contradictory, but different -- and it's begging the question to conflate the two.

The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.

153 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:04 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Well to begin with, the idea of Israel and the idea that Jews have a right to live in peace and security are different ideas. Not necessarily contradictory, but different -- and it's begging the question to conflate the two.

OK, you're entitled to your point of view. I disagree.

The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel.

This is not as true as I would like. Ten years ago we had the Crown Heights pogrom and last year we had attacks on Jews in New York and New Jersey. While these are isolated incidents, the media's lack of concern is problematic. And I suspect that if Israel doesn't agree to commit suicide, the media will increase their portrayal of Israel as the "problem" in the ME. That could also lead to increased attacks on Jews in this country. Of course, there have been attacks on Jews in other countries as well. France leaps to mind.

It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.

Ah but the reasons that Israel is more dangerous need to be understood. If Israel would follow the teachings of the Torah and defend themselves according to what HaShem exlained, Israel would be much, much safer. So would the rest of the world.

157 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:05 PM PST by BenF
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To: Romulus
The second "wrong" thing is that Jews these days live in peace and security just about everywhere in the world but Israel. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but Israel happens to be one of the most dangerous places a Jew can live. Advocates for both Israel and Jews -- those who encourage the myth of Zion as the only safe place for Jews -- should be more straight with their readers.

It's only a myth because you have satisfied yourself to buy the pan Arab Islamic line. Oh no, Romulus says in utter hypocrisy. There is no myth concerning the Arab Islamic claims of course. No, of course not. It is no myth that the Arab Islamics where tolerant to their dhimmis. It is no myth that they "always lived there".

The "myth" of Zionism is premised on your truncated understanding of God and the lack of continuity in His historical position with respect to the Jews and the Scriptures. Ok, we got your replacement theology straight. But to buy into the Arab Islamic spin makes you more incomprehensible since they were the ones responsible for nearly destroying Christianity in North Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, Palestine, etc. Pick your friends and cast your lot. You've cast it with the Arab Islamics.

161 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:06 PM PST by Lent
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