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To: nomasmojarras
Deport them. ALL of them. Get them out of here.

A lot of American Blacks are converting to Islam. What do we do about Muslims who are native-born American citizens?

As far as what do we do with the religion of Islam, what did we do about the humanist religion called Marxism, which at its peak held far more adherents than Islam, including many in the US?

Marxism was exposed, over and over, as a hateful philosophy which produced poverty, oppression, and misery for its adherents, until people in Communist countries started to see that Marx was a false god. The same approach needs to be applied towards Islam

Fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with a modern, technological lifestyle. In countries without large oil deposits to subsidize the population, the people are poor. What the mullahs are really afraid of is that their young people may decide they prefer to worship Britney Spears, that they prefer to study engineering rather than the Koran, and that they want a damn BEER in the evening if they feel like it!

Thus the mullahs are hysterically trying to create a wall of separation between Muslims and the West (by approving of terrorist acts whose predictable outcome would be the expulsion of all Muslims from the West and the end of all further interaction). The mullahs know that if the next generation loses interest in Islam, they are out of jobs

We need to recognise that Islam, as written in the Qu'ran, is as hateful as anything the KKK could have come up with. We need to make being a Muslim about as popular in general society as being a Klansman or a Nazi

5 posted on 11/12/2001 2:37:57 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Agreed!
6 posted on 11/12/2001 2:41:17 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: SauronOfMordor
Islam is a totally synthetic religion, somewhat akin to Scientology in the respect that they are each the singular creation of one man. It matters little to me that Mohammad claimed that his work was dictated to him word-for-word by God while L. Ron Hubbard makes no such bizarre claim for his tracts.

Islam's claimed divine origin HAS made a big difference for it's millions of adherents, though, because if they truly believe as they profess, then they are bound by their collective belief to accept its every hateful, twisted, venemous word without question, even as they accept its more tranquil ones.

The problem as I see it, especially with respect to Islam, is that it is merely religious in form, but at heart it is essentially a political, social movement aimed not at saving souls or reaching a personal ennobled state, but aimed instead at controlling conduct.

Specifically, it is aimed at controlling conduct through the hijacking of the power of the state.

When our Constitution was written, I think that such a malignant perversion of religion was far from the thoughts of the founding fathers. They would never have accepted that the "freedom of religion" they enshrined in the Constitution could protect subversion.

Islam as it is now constituted, harboring seditious political elements bent on nothing less than the overthrow of the American system of Constitutional government is not worthy of Constitutional protection.

The Constitution is after all, not a suicide pact.

8 posted on 11/12/2001 3:04:20 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: SauronOfMordor
Somebody tell Alan Keyes...
10 posted on 11/12/2001 3:18:35 AM PST by DB
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To: SauronOfMordor
American Black Muslims need to read some of these, and get a clue:

An African Asks Some Disturbing Questions of Islam

MUSLIM APARTHEID: What the U.N. Wants Hidden

Christian Persecution in Sudan
Note that most of the Christians and Animists being persecuted are black, the Muslim persecuters are largely arabic.

13 posted on 11/12/2001 3:50:29 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: SauronOfMordor
It is sad and ironic that Blacks are converting to islam. The Blacks have always blamed the "White man" for slavery. Well, it was the Arab (muslim) slave traders who started the whole slave trade business with North America.

The Arab leaders made deals with the African chiefs to enslave tribal mmembers for tribute or other rewards.

BTW, slavery is still practiced in only muslim nations today with Africa's Sudan enslaving many Black Christians in the name of allah.

17 posted on 11/12/2001 4:00:15 AM PST by texson66
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To: SauronOfMordor
As you have said, one of the problems is that we are not responding with a forceful intellectual rejection of Islam as the violent, controlling political movement that it is. This, of course, is partly because it hides behind religion, at a time when Americans have been made very nervous about discussing religion and in many cases lack all certainty of their own.

This is also the thing that is enabling Islamic organizations to conduct massive disinformation campaigns, in many cases paid for by you, the taxpayer. Here in Gainesville, Florida, we have declared November to be "Islamic Awareness Month," and members of the local Islamic Council get to go around and give lectures on the glories of Islam.

We also have at least one dewy-eyed article a week in our local NY Times paper, the Gainesville Sun, about the "religion of peace." These articles are usually interviews with members of the Islamic Council of the University.

And in all of this, it should be remembered that these Islamic Councils were the same organizations that were set up as fronts by the professor from the University of South Florida in Tampa who was held in jail for two years for his known but hard-to-pin-down connections with terrorism. He was then re-hired by the University, although he has since been put on leave because it has been hard to portray some of his subsequent statements as "peaceful."

In short, we are doing everything we can to insure that Islamism wins. We are giving them platforms, we are offering them no meaningful opposition, and we are letting our combination of ignorance and innocence be used by them to lay the groundwork for their takeover from within.

18 posted on 11/12/2001 4:01:10 AM PST by livius
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To: SauronOfMordor
What the mullahs are really afraid of is that their young people may decide they prefer to worship Britney Spears, that they prefer to study engineering rather than the Koran, and that they want a damn BEER in the evening if they feel like it!

Correct you are!

Afghans shave beards and ditch veils in Mazar

19 posted on 11/12/2001 4:04:44 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: SauronOfMordor
If they belive in the Jihad and are american citizens then I consider this to be a treasonous act. DEPORT THEM!
26 posted on 11/12/2001 4:27:33 AM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: SauronOfMordor
We need to recognise that Islam, as written in the Qu'ran, is as hateful as anything the KKK could have come up with. We need to make being a Muslim about as popular in general society as being a Klansman or a Nazi.

Frankly, between Arab terrorists, and creeps from Nation of Islam, they are doing the job for us. If Bush would just shut up and quit trying to put a pretty face on Islam and just let its philosophy speak for itself, the job would go even more smoothly.

61 posted on 11/12/2001 11:47:19 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: SauronOfMordor
"What the mullahs are really afraid of is that their young people may decide ... that they prefer to study engineering..."

They didn't raise a ruckus when OBL studied it.

118 posted on 12/27/2001 12:54:20 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: SauronOfMordor
bump
122 posted on 12/27/2001 2:12:41 PM PST by timestax
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To: SauronOfMordor
bumpity uppity!!
129 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:15 AM PST by timestax
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To: SauronOfMordor
We need to make being a Muslim about as popular in general society as being a Klansman or a Nazi

I agree. And we need to do it using the same social tools we have used for years: ostracism, alienation, boycott. There is no need for violence of any kind. We can simply remove them from our social fabric. We don't need to embrace our enemies, nor do we need to cherish those who would destroy us. If they cannot live in peace, if they force us to choose between tolerance and domination, they had better be prepared to be dominated.

There is no question that the materialism of the West trumps the brutal, enforced "spirituality" of Islam. And the shepherds of that flock know that they're fighting a losing battle. How ya gonna keep 'em on the rug after they've tasted the sweet life? By threatening to behead them if they waver. By putting a match to the sweet life and declaring it Satan's playground. By murdering 5,000 unarmed office workers and then yammering about it like you've accomplished something great.

Muslims love to hoot about "jihad" and "holy war." But if they truly want a holy war, Muslim against non-Muslim, they'd better lay in a good supply of body bags, and put a night shift on the virgin line, 'cause they're gonna need 'em.

132 posted on 12/29/2001 12:17:12 AM PST by IronJack
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