Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

NY Times ^ | 11/12/01 | By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER

[afuturegovernor]

Those were some *great* freeper days, imho.

Yes, indeed they were great days. The 3 biggest stories of the last 5 years have been impeachment, 2000 election mess, and September 11th imho.

[TLBSHOW]

Because he said to the rats what they wanted to hear and then slamed them on his show. Even named their web sites and called them fools. Then he had the most hated women from the left on Ann Coulter who slamed the rats some more. Mind you the rats thought with that headline he was on their side so they all listened into his show tonight. He then said and Ann has a new book coming out called.

Fear and loathing of the left

LOL slam dunk!

[Allegra]

BUSH WON???? YIPPEEEE!!! Break out the champagne! (Gee, time moves so slowly...it feels like it's been a YEAR since I voted....)

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"and all the networks were guilty due to VNS"

correct me if I'm wrong, but the major networks, Fox, CBS, CNN,ABC and NBC co-own VNS

[cpdiii]

The issue that I have never seen addressed by the media is the several thousand votes Gore picked up in the second machine count. For this to happen is an absolute statistical impossibility. The Florida vote was in the millions and the errors in a machine count would cancel each other out in a second machine count of this size. The difference between the first and second should have been within a few tens of votes not hundreds and for damn sure not thousands. There was with out any doubt massive vote fraud on the second machine count. The cards in the first machine count had either been altered or the additional cards were added between the first and second machine count.

Zogby is probably the best damn statistician in political circles and has been known to lurk at this site. I do wish he would address this issue.

[Darlin']

Good Heavens ! These people have waaaaay too much time on their hands. If there was ever any better evidence of what lemmings Duhmocrats can be than this one.... I can't imagine what it could be. Gore sent his little henchmen out to spread his preposterous tale, the party nitwits along with the press followed them right over the edge of the clift. They can make a career out of this if they like but Gore will still lose, he'll always be the loser, he is a loser.

President Bush is a winner. Congratulations President Bush. You've won again and again and again and again and again ....

[Objective Reality]

I said it before and I'll say it again: I seriously wonder if the DU communists will trash a McDonalds in retaliation. Stupid, bandana-faced, pachouli-drenched hippies, with all the debate prowess of a crack whore. I do so enjoy watching them suffer.

[Paradox]

The cards in the first machine count had either been altered or the additional cards were added between the first and second machine count.

My thoughts exactly. The only other possibility is that for some reason, democrats tended to misvote in such a way that upon recount, their votes DiD get counted. Maybe Dems, being old folks, or just being stupid people, didnt punch their chads all the way out more often than the Repubs.. then by the second go around the chads had managed to drop out on their own.. yeah, I know.. far fetched.. I think even Occam would agree that FRAUD is more likely..

[Croooow]

"Another complicating factor in the effort to untangle the result is the oversees absentee ballots that arrived after Election Day. A New York Times investigation earlier this year showed that 680 of the late- arriving ballots did not meet Florida's standards yet were still counted. The vast majority of those flawed ballots were accepted in counties that favored Mr. Bush, after an aggressive effort by Bush strategists to pressure officials to accept them. "A statistical analysis conducted for The Times determined that if all counties had followed state law in reviewing the absentee ballots, Mr. Gore would have picked up as many as 290 additional votes, enough to tip the election in Mr. Gore's favor in some of the situations studied in the statewide ballot review. "But Mr. Gore chose not to challenge these ballots because many were from members of the military overseas, and Mr. Gore did not want to be accused of seeking to invalidate votes of men and women in uniform."

Coulda shoulda woulda. Funny how the mainstream press was head over heels for Boies, now they are indirectly trashing him.

To this day, the Times ignores the U.S. District Court ruling (from Dec. 8 I believe) that would have given Bush as much as an additional 500 votes if not for the SCOTUS ruling. Looks like those who say Gore had the most votes ignored the military yet again. They're only protecting all of us right now.

"This is because the real crime was not that Al Gore may have won Florida...It's that the Republican Party and five Supreme Court justices didn't care what the actual results in Florida were, period!" - Buzzflash link to Prospect.org
This is EMBARRASSING. This spin was just disproven tonight and they're still on it! Do try and keep up. "Gore won 540,000 more votes nationwide. Just remember that." That's totally meaningless in a representative republic. Just remember that. Your man Gore said to get over it already. Just remember that. If you want mob rule, go start your own country.

Bush wins recount; Gore wins the moron vote

[Croooow]

The study, conducted over the last 10 months by a consortium of eight news organizations assisted by professional statisticians, examined numerous hypothetical ways of recounting the Florida ballots...

What was that saying about "lies, damn lies and statistics?"

If it was ready for release in the spring, then it was not conducted over the last 10 months. Or else it was ready but someone deemed it not ready for some reason. Hmmmm...

[NYCVirago]

The article is pretty fair; the Times' headline is pretty lame (it should say Bush Still Wins Florida or something like that.)

[DISCO]

: Were there any irregularities among the field workers? A: One of the 153 workers was found to be systematically biased in favor of Bush; she was fired her first day after coding 79 ballots. Another worker later came under scrutiny after publishing pro-Gore essays on the Internet, but a close look at his work revealed no systematic bias and his results were included. As for the rest of the workers, statisticians found that pairs of field workers agreed with each other 99 percent of the time in optical scan counties, and about 96 percent of the time in punch-card counties. Analysis also suggested males were slightly more likely than females to record marks for either major party candidate. Further, Republicans were slightly more likely than Democrats to record marks for Bush, and Democrats were slightly more likely than Republicans to record marks for Gore. The center concluded such findings did not invalidate the study.

From AP on vote counters. D

[backhoe]

Vote fraud was the big, carefully-ignored story of the election.... I'll go out on a limb and predict this will turn around & bite the Media big time, because most Americans ( as opposed to the elitist chattering classes who are getting bored with "the war" and want something new to entertain them... ) do not care about this enough to matter.

[marajade]

Do you think Bush cares? I bet you don't hear a peep from Bush.

A 100,000 punched two holes for President? What idiots?

[cake_crumb]

That pic of the sel of the US Democratic party is Hysterical !!!!

In other words:

"The Never Ending Story: the Results of the Florida Ee-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-count Has Broken. Again."

Here's the latest folks: George W. Bush as won the 2000 presidential election, for the umpteenth time. Get over it, Democrats, and move ON already.

[cake_crumb]

I just wrote a letter to the New York Times

Really, the Florida recount story should be broken as: "The Never Ending Story: the Story of the Results of the Florida Re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-count Has Broken. Again."

When will the recount issue end? When we find the answer to the question, "How many chads can a ballot-shucker chuck when the ballot-shuckers shuck them chads?"

Breaking news: we have anthrax scares, fears of a new attack, a war in Afghanistan, and the World Trade Center lies in smoking ruins, entombing the remains of thousands of innocent people. We have economic uncertainty, and job uncertainty.

George Bush won the 2000 election. Again. Gore lost the 2000 election. Again. The 2000 election is over and done with. Move on. We have the man we need to lead us in this terrible time. Let him continue to lead us.

[cake_crumb]

Hey, does this mean there will be a "re-inauguration" this coming January? Just kiddin'

[Dustbunny]

WOW !!!!!

This must mean that President Bush is now President Bush again.

[NC Conservative]

Is "perky" Katie Couric in a tizzy yet? The Gorons are a little sad today.

[randog]

Right now, the Democratic Undergrounders (all 12 of them) are REALLY blasting their own liberal press.

Twelve? I counted 15 last time I was there. ;>)