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Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
NY Times ^ | 11/12/01 | By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:49:42 PM PST by PianoMan

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To: PianoMan
Bill Shammon wrote "At Any Cost", the book tells how Algore and his army of lawyers tried to steal the election. It is the definitive account...read it.

September 11, horrible as it was, would be unimaginable under Algore and these subsequence weeks positively unthinkable.

81 posted on 11/12/2001 5:32:34 AM PST by yoe
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To: PianoMan
From Smartertimes.com

Return of the Chad

The New York Times today unleashes the results of its much-anticipated re-re-recount of some ballots in the Florida election and concludes that "Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots."

"Might" is a pretty important word there. Mr. Bush "might" have won, too. The bottom line is that after spending $900,000 on this project, the Times and its partner news organizations are not much closer to finding out what they set out to find than they were when they started.

The key information in the Times package of information on this story comes at the end of a sidebar on how the ballot review was conducted.

The Times reports: "In many places, supervisors found it difficult to find all the ballots that were uncounted on election night, even by running them through the machines. The problem was worst in punch-card counties, as chads dislodged and undervotes suddenly disappeared. Even in optical-scan counties, though, supervisors were often unable to exactly replicate the undervotes and overvotes from the election. In all, the research center reviewed 175,010 ballots, more than 99 percent of the approximately 176,446 that were considered overvoted or undervoted in the certified vote total."

This confirms the Republican contention that running the ballots through the machines again and again degrades them and alters the result. And the discrepancy between the 175,010 ballots counted by the consortium and the 176,446 ballots that were rejected by election officials is 1,436. That is a significant variation between what happened on election night and what happened in the media recount, especially considering that under even the most favorable standard to Mr. Gore, he "might" have won the election by only 424 votes.

The Times editorial compounds the error by asserting, "It appears Al Gore might have carried Florida if he had successfully pursued a statewide manual recount of all 175,010 rejected ballots -- a strategy he never tried." But the "all 175,010" number refers only to the number of rejected ballots the New York Times and its partners in the press were able to reconstruct or find -- not the number on election night. Note the careful use, again, of the word "might." Mr. Bush "might" have won, too, given the uncertain and disorderly nature of any such re-re-recount operation.


A great review of the Times story, if you ask me...
82 posted on 11/12/2001 6:12:09 AM PST by Politico2
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To: Paulus Invictus
At 9:00PM (CST) last night, Judy woodruff interviewed Terry McAuffle, who said that in the two elections held last week in N. J. and Virginia, Republicans were counting absentee ballots with out any Democrats present, just like they tried to do in Florida, and if all of the ballots were counted in Florida, GOre would have won. Woodruff asked McAuffle if Bush was a legitmate President, he said we all know that Gore won, but we will move on. Nor Republican guests were present to dispute cany of the comments of McAuffle. I switched channels to see if MSNBC or FOX carried the story at the magical hour, but they did not carry it. I didnot hear IMUS say anything about the Bush win today. I was waiting to hear Ridge's interview on IMUS, but the Queens Plane crash took IMUS off the air. GOd Bless those on board.
83 posted on 11/12/2001 6:21:48 AM PST by peekaboo
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To: peekaboo
"Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations."

no one seems to remember how it was demonstrated that one DNC mole could push a stiff wire through a whole stack of ballots, "fishing for undervotes", spoiling a whole lot of votes for other candidates along the way but picking up many for their own guy. This was perfected in Chicago and remember who was in charge of the election stealing operation for Gore. I distinctly remember them showing this on Fox back in November and saying this is why the ballots had to be watched and tracked as they travelled. (any delays between polling place and counting place are big signs of tampering).

84 posted on 11/12/2001 6:39:58 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: NC Conservative
"...that sinking feeling, that creeping horror..." that is EXACTLY how it felt. As for perky katie - I think they spun it as "if all votes were really all counted - gore won. CBS news on the radio led as "Gore would have won..."
85 posted on 11/12/2001 6:44:21 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: newzjunkey
It is important to note that the Florida legislature,earlier this year, outlawed punch machines...however, in the Classic Sleeping Beauty Movie, the wicked fairy still managed to lure Sleeping Beauty up to a spot with 1 remaining spindle years after the spindles had been outlawed and burned...My point? Never drop your guard because those evil democrats will always find a way to twist things for their purposes!
86 posted on 11/12/2001 7:18:22 AM PST by princess leah
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To: Dustbunny
This must mean that President Bush is now President Bush again.

And here I was thinking Bush had become the President when he was inaugurated...silly me...

87 posted on 11/12/2001 7:24:32 AM PST by danneskjold
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To: BunnySlippers
It's official ... but the Jeffery Toobin's of the world will STILL whine.

Ain't it a shame all those books in which he slams Katherine Harris mercilessly were printed before the NORC was through?

Now, everyone else will know what Freepers have known about Toobin for years now, and he won't have credibility with them either....Yeee-esss!

88 posted on 11/12/2001 9:16:35 AM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: Bryan
Yep. The info on the Vote-a-matics was available to all press people, but no one took them up on the offer. Gore did statistically better in the VM counties- those 12 counties were in his top 50% (Bush's bottom 50%).

Bryan, did you read the John Lott piece in the LA Times (called an op-ed, was NEWS)? BLACK REPUBLICANS were disenfranchised in FLA! I want some apologies from AG Bob Butterworth, J Jackson, Kwasi, Julian B., Mary Frances....!

GOP Was the Real Victim in Fla. Vote, John Lott-LA Times story, Black Republican ballots invalidated in Dem. precincts.

89 posted on 11/12/2001 9:52:05 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Bryan
I've heard that before, thanks for reminding me.
91 posted on 11/12/2001 5:52:53 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Exactly, they are all guilty of treason!
92 posted on 11/12/2001 8:30:36 PM PST by Soul Citizen
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To: PianoMan
"20 percent of the ballots from African- American areas that went heavily for Mr. Gore were thrown out because voters followed instructions to mark a vote on every page of the ballot. "

The "instructions" were given to them by paid Gore campaign operatives who were brought down from Florida to take people to the polls. The official written instructions were to vote only once in each race.

93 posted on 11/12/2001 10:02:17 PM PST by bayourod
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