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Florida recount study: Bush still wins
CNN.com ^ | 11/11/01 | AP

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:05:12 PM PST by Nataku X

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

NORC dispatched an army of trained investigators to examine closely every rejected ballot in all 67 Florida counties, including handwritten and punch-card ballots. The NORC team of coders were able to examine about 99 percent of them, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators. In addition, the uncertainties of human judgment, combined with some counties' inability to produce the same undervotes and overvotes that they saw last year, create a margin of error that makes the study instructive but not definitive in its findings.

As well as attempting to discern voter intent in ballots that might have been re-examined had the recount gone forward, the study also looked at the possible effect of poor ballot design, voter error and malfunctioning machines. That secondary analysis suggests that more Florida voters may have gone to the polls intending to vote for Democrat Al Gore but failed to cast a valid vote.

In releasing the report, the consortium said it is in no way trying to rewrite history or challenge the official result -- that Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Rather it is simply trying to bring some additional clarity to one of the most confusing chapters in U.S. politics.

Florida Supreme Court recount ruling

On December 12, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a Florida Supreme Court ruling ordering a full statewide hand recount of all undervotes not yet tallied. The U.S. Supreme Court action effectively ratified Florida election officials' determination that Bush won by a few hundred votes out of more than 6 million cast.

Using the NORC data, the media consortium examined what might have happened if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened. The Florida high court had ordered a recount of all undervotes that had not been counted by hand to that point. If that recount had proceeded under the standard that most local election officials said they would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with 493 more votes than Gore.

Gore's four-county strategy

Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a 225-vote margin statewide.

The news media consortium then tested a number of other hypothetical scenarios.

Use of Palm Beach County standard

Out of Palm Beach County emerged one of the least restrictive standards for determining a valid punch-card ballot. The county elections board determined that a chad hanging by up to two corners was valid and that a dimple or a chad detached in only one corner could also count if there were similar marks in other races on the same ballot. If that standard had been adopted statewide, the study shows a slim, 42-vote margin for Gore.

Inclusion of overvotes

In addition to undervotes, thousands of ballots in the Florida presidential election were invalidated because they had too many marks. This happened, for example, when a voter correctly marked a candidate and also wrote in that candidate's name. The consortium looked at what might have happened if a statewide recount had included these overvotes as well and found that Gore would have had a margin of fewer than 200 votes.

A county worker displays an optical scan ballot through a viewing window. The butterfly and caterpillar ballots

One of the most controversial aspects of the Florida election was the so-called butterfly ballot used in heavily Democratic Palm Beach County. Many voters came out of the polls saying they were confused by the ballot design.

According to the study, 5,277 voters made a clean punch for Gore and a clean punch for Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan, candidates whose political philosophies are poles apart. An additional 1,650 voters made clean punches for Bush and Buchanan. If many of the Buchanan votes were in error brought on by a badly designed ballot, a CNN analysis found that Gore could have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

Eighteen other counties used another confusing ballot design known as the "caterpillar" or "broken" ballot, where six or seven presidential candidates are listed in one column and the names of the remaining minor party candidates appeared at the top of a second one. According to the study, more than 15,000 people who voted for either Gore or Bush also selected one candidate in the second column, apparently thinking the second column represented a new race.

Had many of these voters not marked a minor candidate in the second column, Gore would have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

However, the double votes on both butterfly and caterpillar ballots were clearly invalid under any interpretation of the law.

Limits of the study

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago study was commissioned by eight media companies -- The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, the St. Petersburg Times, Cox Newspapers, The Washington Post and the Tribune Co., which includes the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel and Baltimore Sun, as well as other papers.

A county worker displays a punch-card ballot to a NORC coder. NORC used experienced staff researchers to supervise and train a larger pool of investigators, who then fanned out across Florida and personally examined 175,010 ballots provided by local election officials. The investigators recorded exactly what they saw on each ballot but made no attempt to determine whether the vote should have been counted.

From there, the media consortium took over, analyzing the raw data produced by NORC and drawing conclusions for various hypothetical scenarios.

As with any large-scale study, the NORC data is subject to some important limitations.

NORC reported serious problems with record keeping at many local election offices. NORC relied on these offices to produce the rejected ballots, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators.

Although trained to produce accurate, impartial reports, the NORC investigators are human and prone to human judgment and error. In particular, NORC discovered that male investigators were more likely to record marks on ballots than women. NORC also found a slight but statistically significant relationship between candidate marks and the investigators' party affiliation.

Most importantly, there is no guarantee that the judgments of the NORC investigators would have matched those of local election boards had the recount been permitted to proceed under any scenario.


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To: Nakatu X
Please folks do the math and see what is not being reported.

PALM BEACH COUNTY - 18,788 OVERVOTES

Double punched GORE-BUCHANAN 5,277
Double punched BUSH-BUCHANAN 1,650

This leaves 11,821 overvotes in Palm Beach County unexplained. How many of the 11,821 had a Bush, Buchanan, and Gore hole punched? Voter confusion could not explain a significant number of ballots with three holes punched, only ballot tampering would explain that result. They have the numbers and will not present them here. Why?

61 posted on 11/11/2001 6:45:04 PM PST by honway
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To: Nakatu X
Only L E G A L votes count. It's is simple as that. It's too bad that the liberals cannot comprehend a simple concept. It would've saved a lot of time and money.
62 posted on 11/11/2001 6:45:20 PM PST by skr
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To: Wphile
Perhaps now, we can put the whole darn thing to rest!

When monkeys fly out of my butt. It was the evil right wing Republican press! We demand another recount.

And no, don't flame me. I was just imitating the democRATS over on DU.

63 posted on 11/11/2001 6:46:24 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Howlin
Sorry... I wasn't listening that closely. He indicated that reform was needed and to look at something Conyers had out to do that. Something about time to get behind the current effort, etc. President Bush was the CINC.
64 posted on 11/11/2001 6:46:55 PM PST by deport
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To: zip
I know but it's still astounding that he would put a VERY misleading headlines(to be diplomatic)about it!It's been a long times since I've been able to tolerate him!
65 posted on 11/11/2001 6:47:28 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Nakatu X
I'm amazed that C N N got the headline *RIGHT*
66 posted on 11/11/2001 6:47:45 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Wphile
What's with Drudge?

He's become a useful idiot to the DNC ala Larry Klayman.

67 posted on 11/11/2001 6:47:49 PM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: Nakatu X
this was posted at DU:

I had my hopes pinned on this report being released tonight. Nothing can describe the way I feel right now. Obviously it is not like losing a loved-one or anything like that. It is a feeling that we have all been cheated, and there is nothing we can do about it. Many of you had your feet on the ground and realised that the corporate media would never portray the results accurately. But I insisted that they would do the right thing. For the first time since Bush won his primary, the media would do the right thing: report news that would adversely affect Bush. No dice. The media did it to us again. I expected Faux News but not CNN! Unfortunately CNN has been turned into Faux II by Isaacson. Well, time for the moderators to move this story to another section. No hard feelings.

(mine) the fat lady's throat hurts

68 posted on 11/11/2001 6:47:52 PM PST by knak
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To: Nakatu X
Eat your empty heart out, Liar Gore!
69 posted on 11/11/2001 6:48:09 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Tuco-bad
Can ya read, lad? (I'm watchin' an Irish movie as I write this.) If ya can read, ya know that Gore was buggered by his own solicitors. If he'd gotten the full recount he wanted in jus' four counties, he would STILL HAVE LOST?

Another line from the Irish movie, "Are you thick, Tuco?"

Or, to paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid posts." Why don't ya jus' go awah til ya grow up? Take ya time. It might'n be quick. but we'll wait fer ya.

Congressman Billybob

70 posted on 11/11/2001 6:49:29 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Nakatu X
AAACK PHFFTHFTH!!! I am nauseous just reading this crap again! Chads, undervotes, overvotes, military votes, pregnant chads, hanging chads.....what a bunch of garbage. I hope we never hear anything about this again. Unfortunately, I don't think the libs will ever let it be officially over.
71 posted on 11/11/2001 6:50:08 PM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: Howlin
Forty thousand plus ballots with Gore and another candidate. That is voter fraud, they just didn't get enough of 'em done, and the Bush team didn't roll over and play dead!
72 posted on 11/11/2001 6:50:19 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Reagan's_Mom
Wonder if I'll still be seeing this headline when my 2-yr-old has kids.>>>>

BUMP! PING! QUOTE OF THE NIGHT!

73 posted on 11/11/2001 6:50:25 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Nakatu X
Everyone knows that only Democrats are too dumb to know how to punch a ballot. ;-)

17 posted on 11/11/01 7:17 PM Pacific by Nakatu X

True, but they are experts at vote fraud, and the only way they can win elections now. From experience, I can tell you one way that may not be new, but is increassing--going to "group homes", preparing the request for absentee ballots, then have the "voter" sign request, sometimes signed with an "X". Legally, mentally challenged people have a right to vote, but I question the ethics of soliciting them.

74 posted on 11/11/2001 6:50:25 PM PST by katze
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To: knak
I had my hopes pinned on this report being released tonight. Nothing can describe the way I feel right now. Obviously it is not like losing a loved-one or anything like that. It is a feeling that we have all been cheated, and there is nothing we can do about it.

BWAAA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

Get over it, democRAT losers!

O.K., I admit it. I like rubbing their noses in it.

75 posted on 11/11/2001 6:51:42 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: honway
Voter Fraud in Palm Beach County: DNC Implicated

This is a summary of the ballot tampering that explains the discrepancies in the numbers reported above.

76 posted on 11/11/2001 6:52:33 PM PST by honway
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To: Texas Cornhusker
I make it a point not to visit DU these days, but I'm tempted to see how they're handling this. According to quotes from DU posted on FR, hours ago they were chortling that this recount favored Gore but most media outlets, even lib ones like CNN, the Chicago Tribune, Washington Post, etc.are interpreting this recount as favoring Bush. They were hanging all of their hopes on this-and now they're hopes must be dashed! I love it!
77 posted on 11/11/2001 6:52:39 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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To: esmith
Darn, I missed it. I love Gov. Racicot. He was so awesome during the recounts!
78 posted on 11/11/2001 6:52:46 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: Tuco-bad
When the Clinton News Network admits GWB is the real Pesident, I would be pulling down my "World Exclusive Screaming Headline" if I were Matty.......
79 posted on 11/11/2001 6:52:57 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: katze
Legally, mentally challenged people have a right to vote, but I question the ethics of soliciting them.

The Clintonized Democrat Party was never about and will never be about ethics and morals. They only understand two other words: "cheat" and "win."

80 posted on 11/11/2001 6:54:19 PM PST by pray4liberty
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