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Florida recount study: Bush still wins
CNN.com ^ | 11/11/01 | AP

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:05:12 PM PST by Nataku X

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.

NORC dispatched an army of trained investigators to examine closely every rejected ballot in all 67 Florida counties, including handwritten and punch-card ballots. The NORC team of coders were able to examine about 99 percent of them, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators. In addition, the uncertainties of human judgment, combined with some counties' inability to produce the same undervotes and overvotes that they saw last year, create a margin of error that makes the study instructive but not definitive in its findings.

As well as attempting to discern voter intent in ballots that might have been re-examined had the recount gone forward, the study also looked at the possible effect of poor ballot design, voter error and malfunctioning machines. That secondary analysis suggests that more Florida voters may have gone to the polls intending to vote for Democrat Al Gore but failed to cast a valid vote.

In releasing the report, the consortium said it is in no way trying to rewrite history or challenge the official result -- that Bush won Florida by 537 votes. Rather it is simply trying to bring some additional clarity to one of the most confusing chapters in U.S. politics.

Florida Supreme Court recount ruling

On December 12, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a Florida Supreme Court ruling ordering a full statewide hand recount of all undervotes not yet tallied. The U.S. Supreme Court action effectively ratified Florida election officials' determination that Bush won by a few hundred votes out of more than 6 million cast.

Using the NORC data, the media consortium examined what might have happened if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened. The Florida high court had ordered a recount of all undervotes that had not been counted by hand to that point. If that recount had proceeded under the standard that most local election officials said they would have used, the study found that Bush would have emerged with 493 more votes than Gore.

Gore's four-county strategy

Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a 225-vote margin statewide.

The news media consortium then tested a number of other hypothetical scenarios.

Use of Palm Beach County standard

Out of Palm Beach County emerged one of the least restrictive standards for determining a valid punch-card ballot. The county elections board determined that a chad hanging by up to two corners was valid and that a dimple or a chad detached in only one corner could also count if there were similar marks in other races on the same ballot. If that standard had been adopted statewide, the study shows a slim, 42-vote margin for Gore.

Inclusion of overvotes

In addition to undervotes, thousands of ballots in the Florida presidential election were invalidated because they had too many marks. This happened, for example, when a voter correctly marked a candidate and also wrote in that candidate's name. The consortium looked at what might have happened if a statewide recount had included these overvotes as well and found that Gore would have had a margin of fewer than 200 votes.

A county worker displays an optical scan ballot through a viewing window. The butterfly and caterpillar ballots

One of the most controversial aspects of the Florida election was the so-called butterfly ballot used in heavily Democratic Palm Beach County. Many voters came out of the polls saying they were confused by the ballot design.

According to the study, 5,277 voters made a clean punch for Gore and a clean punch for Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan, candidates whose political philosophies are poles apart. An additional 1,650 voters made clean punches for Bush and Buchanan. If many of the Buchanan votes were in error brought on by a badly designed ballot, a CNN analysis found that Gore could have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

Eighteen other counties used another confusing ballot design known as the "caterpillar" or "broken" ballot, where six or seven presidential candidates are listed in one column and the names of the remaining minor party candidates appeared at the top of a second one. According to the study, more than 15,000 people who voted for either Gore or Bush also selected one candidate in the second column, apparently thinking the second column represented a new race.

Had many of these voters not marked a minor candidate in the second column, Gore would have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.

However, the double votes on both butterfly and caterpillar ballots were clearly invalid under any interpretation of the law.

Limits of the study

The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago study was commissioned by eight media companies -- The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, the St. Petersburg Times, Cox Newspapers, The Washington Post and the Tribune Co., which includes the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel and Baltimore Sun, as well as other papers.

A county worker displays a punch-card ballot to a NORC coder. NORC used experienced staff researchers to supervise and train a larger pool of investigators, who then fanned out across Florida and personally examined 175,010 ballots provided by local election officials. The investigators recorded exactly what they saw on each ballot but made no attempt to determine whether the vote should have been counted.

From there, the media consortium took over, analyzing the raw data produced by NORC and drawing conclusions for various hypothetical scenarios.

As with any large-scale study, the NORC data is subject to some important limitations.

NORC reported serious problems with record keeping at many local election offices. NORC relied on these offices to produce the rejected ballots, but county officials were unable to deliver as many as 2,200 problem ballots to NORC investigators.

Although trained to produce accurate, impartial reports, the NORC investigators are human and prone to human judgment and error. In particular, NORC discovered that male investigators were more likely to record marks on ballots than women. NORC also found a slight but statistically significant relationship between candidate marks and the investigators' party affiliation.

Most importantly, there is no guarantee that the judgments of the NORC investigators would have matched those of local election boards had the recount been permitted to proceed under any scenario.


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To: alnick
Revenge truly is a dish best served cold. LOL

Believe it or not, democraps can't read through their tears. Their site is celebrating a Gore win.
They say ALL votes, legal or illegal, should be Gores, therefore, he won. No Kidding.
They haven't said anything about the military votes being ignored. They are considered Bushs' , therefore, they're the only ones illegal.
I've heard ignorance is bliss, and from what I've read, the democrapts are proving it to be true.

121 posted on 11/11/2001 8:42:28 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
It's not clear whether the NORC has taken into account the estimated 10,000 votes President Bush lost in the Florida panhandle when television networks called the state for Gore before area polls closed.
122 posted on 11/11/2001 8:49:28 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Nakatu X
Congrats President-elect Bush!
123 posted on 11/11/2001 8:55:27 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: afuturegovernor
The study's cost has not been determined, but is expected to exceed $500,000.
124 posted on 11/11/2001 8:56:59 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
ALL votes, legal or illegal

So they don't think that military votes are either legal or illegal then. Now there's a fast and fancy bit of footwork. If double-voted ballots are fair game then it isn't an election anymore, it's simply chaos. And if military ballots are still not acceptable, even under those circumstances, then it isn't chaos -- it's simply dictatorship.

125 posted on 11/11/2001 9:03:25 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Tuco-bad
Does Gore being the "real" winner mean I can post again on the Free Republic?

LOL! Haven't seen you around for a long time. Anyways, CNN has already embarrassed Drudge tonight by airing the report, concluding that Bush wins under virtually every scenario except some whacky fantasy scenario in which Gore wins by 171 votes. And this is exactly the way CNN spun it. Nothing to see here - - move along.

It will be funny to see how many newspapers get suckered into putting this yawner story on their front page.

126 posted on 11/11/2001 9:03:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: alnick
Drudge's article says that Gore wins only if they count the above-referenced ballots. We could have saved the consortium a lot of time and money.

Drudge covered his gaff well by saying it was all a conspiracy by the media. Bush won again with an incomplete, tortured recount.

Yawn.
127 posted on 11/11/2001 9:14:06 PM PST by Joe_October
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To: Howlin
I guess they'll have to shut up now, huh?

No, they won't. Not until it's proven for the record all the cheating that took place with Clinton's motor voter cards, illegals and dead people lists, etc., and that Bush would have won the popular vote nationally also.

World Net Daily and another site, (possibly NewsMax), have already shown this possibility.

128 posted on 11/11/2001 9:28:41 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: finnman69
I refuse to abbreviate this one. Rolling on Floor laughing my ass off. Not 200, not 5000 but 180,000. The missing Gore ballots must have gotten mixed in with the destroyed, uncounted military ballots. Great post. zip
129 posted on 11/11/2001 10:16:39 PM PST by zip
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To: New Horizon
heck if I know, them nuts at DU will say anything to fit their needs
130 posted on 11/11/2001 10:26:30 PM PST by knak
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To: Texas Cornhusker
DU kindergarten underground will not know how to handle this.

They know exactly what to do. Whine, complain, bitch, moan, whine some more, and claim this PROVES Gore was the real winner because more people wanted to vote for him. The law? That's just a silly thing which got in the way of democracy...

131 posted on 11/11/2001 11:00:14 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
The Democrats are still beating a dead horse after Sept. 11th. It galls them that President Bush has a 90% plus approval rating in the polls, a figure X42 NEVER received even during the fewer brighter moments of his presidency and that's taken the wind out of the sails of their argument that Bush is somehow an illegitimate president. The country has accepted reality and moved on. Even the liberal media's year long recount couldn't help Al Gore win. Thus come Monday, this will be a one line notice buried in the back pages of the newspapers. When all is said and done is the truth is Gore never won Florida in the real world --- and he never carried the Democratic counties in the state by a margin large enough to offset President Bush's gains elsewhere. Let the Democrats continue to fight the last war.
132 posted on 11/12/2001 1:02:19 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: troublesome creek
LOL...
133 posted on 11/12/2001 3:47:00 AM PST by summer
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To: Howlin
could someone PLEASE tell them to give this up?? get over it!!!
134 posted on 11/12/2001 4:52:11 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: summer
The DNC Chair always sounds like an idiot. I'm sorry. But he does.

Don't apologize. I have it on good authority the word democrat will soon be listed in Roget's Thesaurus as a synonym to idiot.

135 posted on 11/12/2001 5:09:59 AM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: Howlin
Well, you haven't visited the DU site today. They're tying to spin it that Gore won if you count all the illegal votes.

Just kidding. I realize you were being sarcastic.

136 posted on 11/12/2001 5:28:30 AM PST by techcor
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To: finnman69
I know! It's hard to believe but the idiot DU's keep saying that if you count all illegal votes then Gore wins. Why don't they just say what they want: only count Democrat votes...ever. It is fun seeing them wet themselves over this but when they say the military should refuse orders, it gets down right disgusting.
137 posted on 11/12/2001 5:36:38 AM PST by techcor
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To: techcor
They're tying to spin it that Gore won if you count all the illegal votes.

Well, they are right about that; only Dems would be dumb enough to make that argument with a straight face. Imagine, admitting you'd use illegal votes to win.

138 posted on 11/12/2001 5:44:57 AM PST by Howlin
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To: honway
How many of the 11,821 had a Bush, Buchanan, and Gore hole punched? Voter confusion could not explain a significant number of ballots with three holes punched, only ballot tampering would explain that result. They have the numbers and will not present them here. Why?

Excellent question. The answer is, of course, the demon-rat-ticks are in charge of those places.

139 posted on 11/12/2001 5:52:45 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Nakatu X
What possible good does all this churning of chads do, particularly after the events of 9-11?

I wonder how many Americans would still want Algore as President even if these recounts of the recount of the recount showed him winning by 6 votes provided you counted twice all ballots cast by left handed red heads between 9:00 and 9:15 am on election day if the sun wasn't shinning.

Enough already--it's done --Algore LOST!!!!

140 posted on 11/12/2001 6:40:52 AM PST by The Great RJ
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