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United Way attacked for donation [donors' $ pay for legal aid to terrorists!]
AP via Star-Ledger ^ | 11/8/01 | SHANNON McCAFFREY

Posted on 11/08/2001 5:16:12 PM PST by gumbo

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:37:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: anniegetyourgun
I don't mean to be critical, CL, but why would you give to the UW under pressure from your boss? Perhaps next year you could respond to him/her that you do plan to give by sending your money directly to the charity of your choice so as to avoid the wasted administrative overhead. You might even let him/her know what % of your UW keeps in administrative costs. (That figure varies by locale, but you can easily find out by calling yours.)

I don't take what you wrote as criticism at all. In fact, it is good advice. But, as it goes, people make choices about the kinds of windmills at which they wish to tilt. My boss does not care about the UW, and wouldn't be impressed with my argument about where the money goes. She just wants 100% compliance so that her departmet looks good. I don't want to draw attention to my politics because I need my job, so I keep my nose clean, throw away 10 bucks, and go home at the end of the day.

Yours,

ConLib

61 posted on 11/13/2001 8:57:59 AM PST by ConservativeLibrarian
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To: patent
ping.
62 posted on 11/13/2001 8:58:00 AM PST by Romulus
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To: gumbo
Money was essentially extorted from us for the United Way virtually the whole time I was in the Army from 1967 to 1971. Unit participation in their fund drives "will be 100%, or else". And one knew that if they didn't cough up they'd be stuck with every rancid detail the senior non-coms could find or dream up.

With such practices in mind, I swore that once out of the Army, I would never donate to the United Way, and haven't, since.

63 posted on 11/13/2001 9:19:11 AM PST by onedoug
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To: packrat01
Please remove me from your Bump list. BTW, I have refused to give to the United Way for years after I discovered the corruption and mismanagement of funds at their national headquarters.

"Drugs and prostitution are for suckers. My business is far more profitable and untouchable, so give to your favorite 'charity'". - Famous mafia Don

64 posted on 11/13/2001 9:32:04 AM PST by Southack
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To: packrat01
Keep me on this ping list! The United Way hasn't gotten any money from me in years and it will never get any again! I consider them a corrupt organization that spends too much on management and no enough on charitable organizations.

Also when you mark a certain charity if that charity has already met their goal of money donated, the United Way will take your money and put it elsewhere at their discretion!

Must admit this latest deal of theirs is the lowest they have sunk and I didn't think they could get any lower. Question: Is ms. clinton somehow involved with the United Way? This just sounds like something she would have them do!

65 posted on 11/13/2001 10:06:12 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: packrat01
Unable to join the American mainstream, they will fester in ethnic ghettos, work for sub-standard wages, reproduce, vote the straight Democrat ticket and provide cover for terrorists.

This goes to show that as long as the Democrats can get votes they have an invested interest to continue a failed immigration policy. A policy that allows people to come into the country who have no interest in learning English or becoming Americans.

66 posted on 11/13/2001 10:20:58 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: gumbo
Like who? Poor Christians who want to pray on public property? Sorry, afraid not.

Yes, absolutely. If they were arrested and were without funds to hire private counsel, the Criminal Defense Division of LAS would represent them.

The Legal Aid Society, like the ACLU, is a well-known leftist front. I don't have time now (have to leave for several hours) to do an exposition on this, but maybe someone else can stop your head from spinning...

They represent people accused by the government of some criminal act. They make the government prove its case before the government can take the freedom of people away. The bottom line is a basic distrust of government, and to me that is a principle of conservatism.
67 posted on 11/13/2001 10:34:30 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: gumbo; anniegetyourgun
A defender of Legal Aid was on O'Reilly and said without equivocation that the funds from United Way are NOT used to defend those people. Whatever else may be said of them, they scrupulously separate the funds they receive and use them only for purposes related to the objectives of the donors.

Annie: United Way comingles donations and is so centralized that there is plenty of opportunity for abuse. When I learned that decades ago, I stopped donating at work. If you think there's no pressure and public humilation of nongivers at the office, you are very much mistaken. I had to take criticism every year by our collections lieutenant who also had dominion over my work assignments. The whole setup stinks out loud.

68 posted on 11/13/2001 10:43:11 AM PST by Marylander
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To: veryconernedamerican
This isn't about civil rights because illegal aliens have no rights.

Huh? Since when? If the government wants to arrest anyone and throw them in jail for committing a criminal offense, they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed the offense. Not to require that is to give too much power to the government. That's what the criminal defense attorneys of the LAS are doing: making the government prove its case.
69 posted on 11/13/2001 10:53:07 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Squantos
> As to me , I deliver cash directly to the victims from now on if I can't go and help in person........

Mega Dittos. My donations went to a prominent, (or maybe not so prominent,) local talk show guy who delivered in person. Even cartons of cigarettes to the Firemen and Policemen who were being refused them by PC charities onsite. You don't know how much blood the Red Cross destroyed and how sickeningly PC both the UW and RC are. From free abortions to legal aid for terrorists. Ef'm.

70 posted on 11/13/2001 10:53:57 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: gumbo
The United Way is another criminal organization, just like the Red Cross.
71 posted on 11/13/2001 10:57:00 AM PST by wjcsux
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To: DittoJed2
Take a look at 68 and 61. Tell me, how will we stand against real pressure if even this causes such compromise?
72 posted on 11/13/2001 11:08:58 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: gumbo
is there a 'hammer and sickle' behind that cross?
73 posted on 11/13/2001 11:52:45 AM PST by rockfish59
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To: Romulus
Thanks for the bump. Business as usual. Do something your donors don't want, but do it in a somewhat defensible way so that it can be spun.

patent

74 posted on 11/13/2001 11:56:12 AM PST by patent
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To: BikerNYC
They make the government prove its case before the government can take the freedom of people away

No, sorry. The Legal Aid Society IS the government; and it doesn't work to protect our freedoms - IT WORKS TO TAKE AWAY OUR MONEY AND RESDISTRIBUTE IT TO LEFT WING PET PROJECTS.

Legal Aid Societies, around the country, are funded by the "Legal Services Corporation" -- which is a federal program leeching off OUR TAX MONEY.

This is all I have time to post for now. Read this and weep: The real cost of the Legal Services Corporation.

excerpt:

President Clinton proposes to spend $415 million in his budget next year for the Legal Services Corporation (LSC). But this does not begin to measure the real costs of the LSC. That $415 million goes to fund a legal and political crusade by left-wing lawyers and political activists to hold up middle-class taxpayers for unbounded income redistribution and welfare schemes.

From the beginning, a principal avowed purpose of the Legal Services movement has been "law reform." That means changing the law wherever possible to suit the left-wing ideology of the Legal Services activists. The very essence of that ideology is class warfare, organizing tax-users, as a class, against tax-payers, for the purpose of taking from those who have, to give to those who don't.

This is all the more insidious because these left-wing activists can bring their cases before left-wing judges, whose avowed legal philosophy is not to rule in accordance with their personal biases. Their rulings then serve as precedents.


75 posted on 11/13/2001 11:59:28 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
No, sorry. The Legal Aid Society IS the government; and it doesn't work to protect our freedoms - IT WORKS TO TAKE AWAY OUR MONEY AND RESDISTRIBUTE IT TO LEFT WING PET PROJECTS.

WRONG!

The Legal Aid Society is one of the oldest PRIVATE organizations dedicated to representing people chaged with crimes by the government who can't afford to hire a private lawyer to fend off government accusations. It is a private organization. With its own board of directors and officers. It is as private as the Salvation Army or any other charity, some of which get government monies to run their operations.

The Legal Aid Society gets most of its funding from NYC, which HIRES it to represent poor people charged with crimes. It also recieves funds from private foundationas and individuals.

If you are ever in NYC and get int he way of some cop, and are arrested because he is short on his quota that week, your Legal Aid Lawyer (who will probably be your first lawyer even if you can afford to hire one thereafter) will be your best friend in your fight against government accusations.
76 posted on 11/13/2001 12:32:32 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Cicero
You wrote:

"here's only one reason to donate to them--if your boss is a tyrant and will fire you for not giving."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In that case..I'd recommend the employee give a penny, or a nickel. Doing that costs the U. W. more than the donation is worth.

FRegards

77 posted on 11/13/2001 1:31:29 PM PST by Osage Orange
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To: BikerNYC
The Legal Aid Society gets most of its funding from NYC

You got that right -- to the tune of $78 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS last year. And that's only from the city -- what untold millions they received from the federal government, I don't know!

Legal aid societies are "private" in name only. Any entity that receives the bulk of its money from the taxpayers is not "private."

And yes, they've been around a long time, but their character has changed. What once may have been a noble institution to "serve the poor" has become, since the '60s, a haven for radical leftists bent on re-shaping America...

The new, federally funded "legal services" agencies could not have been more different from the traditional voluntary legal aid societies—and over time they inexorably molded traditional legal aid into their exact image.

The goal of the [old] legal aid societies had been due-process justice: making sure that the poor have their day in court. The new legal services agencies had something quite different in mind: the redistribution of political and economic power...

...And how did the new legal services attorneys propose to "change the structure of the world"? By encouraging judges to create a whole new battery of rights.

What was unfolding in the 1960s was nothing less than a reordering of government: a shifting of power from the legislature to the courts, with federally funded attorneys as the driving force. Nothing in the traditional legal aid movement anticipated this development...

--Heather MacDonald, What Good is Pro-Bono? [emphasis mine]

78 posted on 11/13/2001 1:49:13 PM PST by gumbo
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To: ConservativeLibrarian
I hope you didn't give too much. I would have given 10 cents.

By the way if you felt forced by your employer to support United Way against your will, this is harassment and it is illegal.

79 posted on 11/13/2001 2:38:26 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: gumbo
bump
80 posted on 11/13/2001 3:04:50 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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