Posted on 11/08/2001 5:16:12 PM PST by gumbo
Edited on 07/06/2004 6:37:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Absolutely.
Your point wasn't missed; in fact, was well taken.
FWIW; there was no conscious effort on my part to imply your were a Catholic, either. OK?
Just felt the *official* Catholic stand on abortion, all forms, as opposed to what many of their followers actually do?
Illustrated a kind of silent dishonesty which contrasted nicely against the SA's attempt to be perfectly honest; for all who'd ask what their position on the abortion issue actually is.
SA has merited my support for what it is they actually do, and do well.
Which is to save souls through the providing of clothing, shelter, nourishment, & lastly faith.
The SA does not provide abortions to women.
Go right-on ahead & keep it up & I'll quote you again, & again, & again.
You been *warned*, Texan. ;^)
Just because many who call themselves Catholics stray, does not make the Catholic Church dishonest.
The SA does not provide abortions to women
I certainly hope they don't. But what about [pro-]abortion "counseling"?
If some Salvation Army chapters are hiring avowed homosexuals, and are desirous of extending "domestic partner" benefits to them, what ELSE might they be doing?
I would never give a dime to the United Way, and it's recent decision not to fund the Boy Scouts strengthens my resolve.
WE, TOO. I love sticking their little green stickers on the info I get and returning them, though. Seems my "junk" mail has diminished since we started doing that, too.
And, in that case, you can try what I am doing. I ran a thread about United Way a few weeks ago in this same situation, and finally decided to take one of their alternative choices. They said that you could designate ANY 501(c) organization to donate to, as long as the donation equaled $50 per year or more. I designated the NRA's Civil Rights Defense Fund to support legal defense of a citizen's rights to bear arms. I figured it would irritate United Way to have to send a monthly contribution to them in my name.
Very true; so, is that what I said has to be the question, eh?
Was [that] what you took away from what I tried saying, gumbo?
Please; read it again as many times as it takes for you to see who I cast my suspicions against in what appears to have been a failed attempt to reason.
FWIW: I have nothing but the utmost respect for our Holy Father.
As for a large number of Catholic followers, on the other hand?
I'm not so sure; as I'm among many of them & can plainly see for myself what many say vs. what they do when it comes to the subject of abortion.
But please...forget it.
"The SA does not provide abortions to women."
"But what about [pro-]abortion 'counseling'?"
Please; show me where the SA's doing this & we'll talk; I'll go nuts, be hyper-critical of the SA, & you'll be happy(ier) recieving from me the response you're (apparently) probing around for.
But until then?
I'll not participate in a condemnation *festival* based on a, "what if" scenario.
You see? I'm neither a Lawyer or politican; & they're the only ones who thrive & prosper off such bull$hit as that which could be, but isn't.
I'm just an ordinary person who does the best he can, given some lousy choices (at times). OK?
"...what ELSE might they be doing?"
Ahhhh...harboring crashed UFO aliens?
Flicking their bogers against walls in beteen serving meals?
I really couldn't say...& neither could you.
No, I would be neither 'happy' nor 'happier' to find the Salvation Army provided pro-abortion counseling (and note, I did not say they were, merely raised the question -- why else would the S.A. bother to have a pro-choice 'position statement'?).
I've long admired the Salvation Army and have given to them; it does not make me happy to hear they've taken a wrong turn.
As for aliens, etc...c'mon. Such ridicule does not become you.
My point was that if some chapters of the Salvation Army have been flirting with left-wing causes, e.g. the gay agenda (see Salvation army nixes divisive policy change), then those chapters may be capable of providing pro-abortion "counseling" too.
And why not? If "domestic parter" benefits for gay employees is OK with the S.A., why not abortion counseling? Hey, it's the 21st century!
Of course not! Thanks for the flag.
While with Exchange, some of us volunteered to stand in front of various dept stores at xmas time with a red kettle, ringing a hand-held bell to collect monies that'd be used to feed & cloth the needy.
I made it a point to learn *who* & *what* the SA was, before I would go subject myself & wife to the freezing cold of late December on what we'd thought was a "good cause."
Only to learn later we'd been shilling for the likes of UW??
I wasn't going to risk being made a fool of, having some entity take advantage of our good will; so I first asked plenty of questions.
This is how I know, what I know.
gumbo-gumbo-gumbo...I'm teasing you. Lighten up, my friend, OK?
This isn't NewsMax or Ldot! {/sarc} :o)
As for the article you hilited?
That article's the only reason I weighed-in on your thread.
You see?
The SA blew-it with us; until I read they'd reversed a decision made by one of their chapters.
You ask if there's an equivalency between the two issues (for me); abortion & homosexuality?
Well yea, I guess there is for me.
With NO disrespect intended toward you, I feel I've made the case for my POV with respect to that as good as I'm humanly capable.
Sorry if it strikes you as flimsy & insufficient; nonetheless, that's how it is.
No. Are you?
The Legal Aid Society represents people accused by the government of crimes and who can't afford their own private attorney.
Like who? Poor Christians who want to pray on public property? Sorry, afraid not.
The Legal Aid Society, like the ACLU, is a well-known leftist front. I don't have time now (have to leave for several hours) to do an exposition on this, but maybe someone else can stop your head from spinning...
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