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United Way attacked for donation [donors' $ pay for legal aid to terrorists!]
AP via Star-Ledger ^ | 11/8/01 | SHANNON McCAFFREY

Posted on 11/08/2001 5:16:12 PM PST by gumbo

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:37:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Free the USA
Not dozens. Things from dark corners that might have been missed otherwise. I'm not into annoying FReople...
41 posted on 11/13/2001 6:53:14 AM PST by packrat01
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To: gumbo
"But I'm sure you'd agree, we should be well-informed about the positions these charities take, before we donate."

Absolutely.
Your point wasn't missed; in fact, was well taken.

FWIW; there was no conscious effort on my part to imply your were a Catholic, either. OK?
Just felt the *official* Catholic stand on abortion, all forms, as opposed to what many of their followers actually do?
Illustrated a kind of silent dishonesty which contrasted nicely against the SA's attempt to be perfectly honest; for all who'd ask what their position on the abortion issue actually is.

SA has merited my support for what it is they actually do, and do well.
Which is to save souls through the providing of clothing, shelter, nourishment, & lastly faith.
The SA does not provide abortions to women.

42 posted on 11/13/2001 6:53:44 AM PST by Landru
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To: MissAmericanPie
"These two charities can go pound sand, the United Way strong arms or has some quid pro quo with some big time employers to brow beat money out of the employees every week, this need to be spot lighted and put a stop to."

Go right-on ahead & keep it up & I'll quote you again, & again, & again.

You been *warned*, Texan. ;^)

43 posted on 11/13/2001 7:02:50 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
Just felt the *official* Catholic stand on abortion, all forms, as opposed to what many of their followers actually do? Illustrated a kind of silent dishonesty which contrasted nicely against the SA's attempt to be perfectly honest

Just because many who call themselves Catholics stray, does not make the Catholic Church dishonest.

The SA does not provide abortions to women

I certainly hope they don't. But what about [pro-]abortion "counseling"?

If some Salvation Army chapters are hiring avowed homosexuals, and are desirous of extending "domestic partner" benefits to them, what ELSE might they be doing?

44 posted on 11/13/2001 7:06:45 AM PST by gumbo
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To: Landru
I'm with you, Landru. The Salvation Army gets my support.

I would never give a dime to the United Way, and it's recent decision not to fund the Boy Scouts strengthens my resolve.

45 posted on 11/13/2001 7:08:48 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: RottiBiz
oops. it's=its.
46 posted on 11/13/2001 7:19:21 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: Mudboy Slim
......don't give to generic Republican's but to "group like Stephen Moore's Club for Growth."

WE, TOO. I love sticking their little green stickers on the info I get and returning them, though. Seems my "junk" mail has diminished since we started doing that, too.

47 posted on 11/13/2001 7:21:50 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Cicero
There's only one reason to donate to them--if your boss is a tyrant and will fire you for not giving.

And, in that case, you can try what I am doing. I ran a thread about United Way a few weeks ago in this same situation, and finally decided to take one of their alternative choices. They said that you could designate ANY 501(c) organization to donate to, as long as the donation equaled $50 per year or more. I designated the NRA's Civil Rights Defense Fund to support legal defense of a citizen's rights to bear arms. I figured it would irritate United Way to have to send a monthly contribution to them in my name.

48 posted on 11/13/2001 7:22:58 AM PST by BreitbartSentMe
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To: gumbo
How can the Red Cross even think they are on the same page as the donors.
49 posted on 11/13/2001 7:35:18 AM PST by Great Dane
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To: Landru
LOL, thank you!
50 posted on 11/13/2001 7:43:16 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: packrat01
What I'd like to know is why it has taken so long for the RC to reverse their arrogant stance and decide that they should try to do what is right.
51 posted on 11/13/2001 7:49:56 AM PST by blackbart1
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To: gumbo
"Just because many who call themselves Catholics stray, does not make the Catholic Church dishonest."

Very true; so, is that what I said has to be the question, eh?
Was [that] what you took away from what I tried saying, gumbo?
Please; read it again as many times as it takes for you to see who I cast my suspicions against in what appears to have been a failed attempt to reason.
FWIW: I have nothing but the utmost respect for our Holy Father.
As for a large number of Catholic followers, on the other hand?
I'm not so sure; as I'm among many of them & can plainly see for myself what many say vs. what they do when it comes to the subject of abortion.
But please...forget it.

"The SA does not provide abortions to women."

"But what about [pro-]abortion 'counseling'?"

Please; show me where the SA's doing this & we'll talk; I'll go nuts, be hyper-critical of the SA, & you'll be happy(ier) recieving from me the response you're (apparently) probing around for.
But until then?
I'll not participate in a condemnation *festival* based on a, "what if" scenario.
You see? I'm neither a Lawyer or politican; & they're the only ones who thrive & prosper off such bull$hit as that which could be, but isn't.
I'm just an ordinary person who does the best he can, given some lousy choices (at times). OK?

"...what ELSE might they be doing?"

Ahhhh...harboring crashed UFO aliens?
Flicking their bogers against walls in beteen serving meals?
I really couldn't say...& neither could you.

52 posted on 11/13/2001 7:56:04 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
Please; show me where the SA's doing this & we'll talk; I'll go nuts, be hyper-critical of the SA, & you'll be happy(ier)

No, I would be neither 'happy' nor 'happier' to find the Salvation Army provided pro-abortion counseling (and note, I did not say they were, merely raised the question -- why else would the S.A. bother to have a pro-choice 'position statement'?).

I've long admired the Salvation Army and have given to them; it does not make me happy to hear they've taken a wrong turn.

As for aliens, etc...c'mon. Such ridicule does not become you.

My point was that if some chapters of the Salvation Army have been flirting with left-wing causes, e.g. the gay agenda (see Salvation army nixes divisive policy change), then those chapters may be capable of providing pro-abortion "counseling" too.

And why not? If "domestic parter" benefits for gay employees is OK with the S.A., why not abortion counseling? Hey, it's the 21st century!

53 posted on 11/13/2001 8:12:28 AM PST by gumbo
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To: packrat01
The National Legal and Policy Center believes donors would not want their money supporting the Legal Aid Society, which is representing several of the detainees being held on immigration charges and also is helping them find permanent counsel.

Of course not! Thanks for the flag.

54 posted on 11/13/2001 8:14:21 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: RottiBiz
Never mind for a moment UW's lame attempts to support the Leftist's insideous social engineering scams by blending UW policies with *some* Leftist-Clintonian NWO vision to BE financed on the BACKS of people like me?
Rather, just look at & compare the ratio of monies collected, to what's given to the needy between these two organiazations; & you'll easily see SA wins that contest, hands-down.
SA's able do A LOT because that money goes TO the people they they're in existance to help in the name of God Almighty.
...and *no* I don't have the "exact" figures; however, I DO recall hearing 'em when I belonged to the Exchange Club.
Those figures blew me away & have stuck to me like glue.

While with Exchange, some of us volunteered to stand in front of various dept stores at xmas time with a red kettle, ringing a hand-held bell to collect monies that'd be used to feed & cloth the needy.
I made it a point to learn *who* & *what* the SA was, before I would go subject myself & wife to the freezing cold of late December on what we'd thought was a "good cause."
Only to learn later we'd been shilling for the likes of UW??
I wasn't going to risk being made a fool of, having some entity take advantage of our good will; so I first asked plenty of questions.
This is how I know, what I know.

55 posted on 11/13/2001 8:18:15 AM PST by Landru
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To: gumbo
Their forte is funding left-wing groups like the Legal Aid Society...

Are you crazy? The Legal Aid Society represents people accused by the government of crimes and who can't afford their own private attorney. The LAS fights the government when the government tries to take people's freedom away.

Do oou really want to give the government the power to throw people in jail without anyone challenging it and to make it cough up whatever evidence they have against these people? You trust the government to make those decisions without any challenge? Your faith in the government is unbelievable.
56 posted on 11/13/2001 8:23:49 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: gumbo
Yup the united way and the red cross won't get a dime from me every again. clean it up guys the number of people like me is growing fast.
57 posted on 11/13/2001 8:28:42 AM PST by veryconernedamerican
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To: gumbo
"Such ridicule does not become you."

gumbo-gumbo-gumbo...I'm teasing you. Lighten up, my friend, OK?
This isn't NewsMax or Ldot! {/sarc} :o)

As for the article you hilited?
That article's the only reason I weighed-in on your thread.
You see?
The SA blew-it with us; until I read they'd reversed a decision made by one of their chapters.

You ask if there's an equivalency between the two issues (for me); abortion & homosexuality?
Well yea, I guess there is for me.
With NO disrespect intended toward you, I feel I've made the case for my POV with respect to that as good as I'm humanly capable.
Sorry if it strikes you as flimsy & insufficient; nonetheless, that's how it is.

58 posted on 11/13/2001 8:30:11 AM PST by Landru
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To: BikerNYC
Are you crazy?

No. Are you?

The Legal Aid Society represents people accused by the government of crimes and who can't afford their own private attorney.

Like who? Poor Christians who want to pray on public property? Sorry, afraid not.

The Legal Aid Society, like the ACLU, is a well-known leftist front. I don't have time now (have to leave for several hours) to do an exposition on this, but maybe someone else can stop your head from spinning...

59 posted on 11/13/2001 8:33:12 AM PST by gumbo
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To: BikerNYC
I don't want a dime going to any company that fights for terrorists rights, or suspected terrorist, i.e. foreign nationals with ties to terrorism. This isn't about civil rights because illegal aliens have no rights. The point here is that these companies acted very irresponsibly by giving money to causes that the donors all would not agree to donate to. It's not about this legal co's right to exist it's about moral contract charities have with their donors that was broken here.
60 posted on 11/13/2001 8:41:27 AM PST by veryconernedamerican
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