Posted on 11/06/2001 10:13:10 AM PST by JMJ333
A man. Was Paul wrong?
Then I missed your point about the reference to Psalm 82. Would you please make it again? How does Yeshua's reference to Psalm 82 apply at all to the discussion of the archetypes?
Shalom.
First, Paul was not in the story in Acts 2. That would be Peter. But that is a small point.
Peter was not wrong. Yeshua is man.
Peter was also not wrong in his letter. 1 Peter 3:21-22 "... It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him." or again in 2 Pet 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:" or even in Acts 2:21 and in Acts 4:12 where he calls Yeshua 'savior'. Any good Jew would know that G-d has declared that he is the only savior.
Shalom.
Call it an accusation. I described a method of attack and distinguished it from an honest attempt at understanding. I pointed out that you were using this method of attack. If this is your approach to gaining a better understanding, as opposed to an attack, I apologize for the false accusation.
I submit that it isn't the best method.
Shalom.
Start with the Holy Bible. It's all about Him, including the Old Testament.
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There are many things entwined/overlapped. It was done so on purpose. Its difficult enough to spot them and extricate them, much less discuss them.
I tried to post them in the best manner possible, so that each would not be lost while looking at the whole.
Ahem.
"A lot missing," eh? Granted, there are precious few recipes for zucchini squash in there, but I don't wonder why.
Or, maybe I missed your point.
OK, for the sake of argument, that would only be a problem if it were not true, correct? The reason Psalm 82 calls the people wicked is because they were elevating themselves to the position of G-d without actually being G-d. If Yeshua were actually G-d, then there would be no problem with this, right?
Did you ever see Miracle on 34th street? Do you remember when the Lawyer for Kris said to the judge something like, "Claiming to be Santa Claus would only make one insane if one were not, in fact, Santa Claus." He then went on to prove that Kris was, in fact, Santa Claus and therefore not insane.
I know that you do not accept that Yeshua is G-d. But you can not prove that Yeshua is not G-d by telling us that only people who are enemies of G-d claim to be G-d. G-d also claims to be G-d and He is not His own enemy, nor is He blaspheming. So that logic falls apart. You must first prove that Yeshua was not G-d. Then you can prove that He was blaspheming and, by extension, an enemy of G-d.
Shalom.
I apologize for the mischaracterization. I don't see them as so entertwined. But you now seem to be willing to stick to the archetypes question. Now you still have to answer my question to you. Can you not see that the archetypes of the enemies of G-d have the one thing in common, self exaltation? And doesn't it make sense to look to this one common point, the pride that G-d talks about all through the Tanak, as the reason they were G-d's enemies, and not the trivial issues like how they died or how they were buried?
Shalom.
The point is you can understand the Holy Bible better, especially the New Testament, by remembering that almost all the authors were Jewish. To really dig deeply into the Bible, you must understand the times and the writers, not just the words.
Shalom.
I think it's impossible for any Hebrew to become a heathen. I don't think you'll find scriptual support for the above statement.
Remember He said, "I came ONLY FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."
This also contradicts your premise that Israelites had become gentiles. Gentiles didn't have a covenant with God, unless they were circumcised. The Mosaic covenant, (and those under it) had to be dealt with before the New covenant (grace) could take affect for both Jews/Gentiles.
you will see GOD'S PLAN and how the prophecy ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED is going to play out.
There's a physical Israel (Hebrews), and then there is the Israel of God (body).
There is no biblical basis whatever on which to believe this. Nice Sunday School myth, but no documentation. In fact, there is much more basis to believe he traveled extensively during those years.
> He never visited a big city. He never traveled two hundred miles from the place he was born.
Again, not a shred of evidence, and no Biblical basis ...
>When he was dead, he was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend.
MUCH more than a friend. Joseph of Arimethia was big time politician, member of the Sanhredrin, and a major shipowner and importer of tin and other products from the west of England. He was also probably Jesus Uncle, a brother of his Mother. These were not poor folks, and Jesus did not grow up among the poor. He later assumed poverty to send a message, but then he had all the power of the universe behind him, and could call down Angeles to help if he chose.
You persist in the same error. The tribe of Judah was NEVER part of the House of Israel. It was part of the House of Judah. All 12 Tribes were ISRAELITES, but only the 10 "Lost Tribes" were designated House of Israel.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not Jews, but were Hebrews. Some Jews are Hebrews, but not all Hebrews are Jews.
Where then were these "Lost Tribes" at the time of Christs arrival? Enlightenment is only a click away, at my Profile.
Geez, talk about revisionist history...Name the twelve sons of Jacob/Israel without naming Judah.
All 12 Tribes were ISRAELITES, but only the 10 "Lost Tribes" were designated House of Israel
Not true. The tribe of Judah might not have been lost, but it was part of the House of Israel and was scattered. I'd love to see the contortions you'll need to master in order to disregard David's many references to the House of Israel in Samuel, let alone the many references in Exodus, Leviticus, etc. Lastly, you'll have a hard time convincing people that Jews would worship from a book that clearly shows G_d's preference for the House of Israel over the "House of Judah" (sic).
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not Jews, but were Hebrews. Some Jews are Hebrews, but not all Hebrews are Jews.
Agreed.
Where then were these "Lost Tribes" at the time of Christs arrival? Enlightenment is only a click away, at my Profile.
No need - you have amply demonstrated your confusion.
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