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Why Osama bin Laden Is Leading Islam To The Scrap Heap Of History
YOWUSA.com ^ | Marshall Masters

Posted on 11/02/2001 9:48:15 AM PST by MooCollins

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You GOTTA read this one!
1 posted on 11/02/2001 9:48:16 AM PST by MooCollins
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To: MooCollins
good article. long, but good perspective... for an evolutionist.
2 posted on 11/02/2001 9:54:39 AM PST by eccl1212
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To: Bryan; Victoria Delsoul; William Wallace; Luis Gonzalez; EdReform; Mercuria; harpseal...
Ping! Long but a GOOD READ!
3 posted on 11/02/2001 10:02:24 AM PST by MooCollins
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To: MooCollins
God IS great!
4 posted on 11/02/2001 10:07:12 AM PST by F-117A
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To: MooCollins
Exellent article. Thanks for the heads up.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

5 posted on 11/02/2001 10:12:30 AM PST by harpseal
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To: MooCollins
Either Islam will go through the same civilizing process in the 21st century that Christianity went through in the 16th-17th, or its adherents will be permanently left behind as a sort of reservation held under guard by the civilized world. Their choice.
6 posted on 11/02/2001 10:15:05 AM PST by steve-b
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To the author:

"Modern man is a direct decedent of Cro-Magnon man, and for a period of roughly 3-4 million years, Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals coexisted in relative peace".

Oh? What resource are you quoting? And if you have a good resource, what does the resource rely upon for this factual statement? Did the Cro-Mags train and use the Neans for their pets, farm animals and the like? Or like animals in the wild did they get along with each other like a cat and a dog living in the same house? Did they understand each other? Did they communicate with each other? Did the Neans cry when they realized that the Cro-Mags were the chosen ones to carry out the evolution of mankind?

7 posted on 11/02/2001 10:29:03 AM PST by Godfollow
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To: steve-b
I think it's more complicated than that. Christianity was never violent: during first few centuries of persecution, the only people who were persecuted and suffered and died were the Christians themselves. Islam started out by attacking other peoples, and it was not Muslims who died, but Christians, Jews and even pagans, in the process of forcible conversion by Islam.

During the centuries after it became established in Europe, Christianity constantly battled with the powers of the State, which always wanted to take it over and sometimes did (witness Henry VIII). However, Christian philosophers gave considerable thought to this matter, and a very clear distinction was made between the powers and sphere of the spiritual rulers and that of the secular rulers. Naturally, human nature being what it is, and the temptation to power being what it is, both sides frequently exceeded their limits. But fundamentally, Christianity is not meant to replace the secular government, rulers or legal system. Islam, on the other hand, is meant to do all of these things.

The bourgeois revolution that was the Reformation was the culmination of centuries of Christian thought about free will, the empowerment of the individual, and even the status of women. Islam, on the other hand, does not have the theoretical foundation to even consider these matters.

The supposed moments of glory of Islamic culture all came when Muslims had overrun other cultures and before they had extinguished the genius of those particular cultures: the law and philosophy and mathematics of the Near East and what was left of Roman civilization. In fact, in some cases, such as that of Spain, the initial Muslim invaders (from the caliphates) were ousted by other, more radical and more literalist Muslims (Berbers from North Africa) who regarded the former group as too liberal.

I think that in many was, the analysis we read above was a good one. But I think that there are other issues, fundamental to Islam itself and not to a "corruption" of it, that are behind the crisis we are facing today.

8 posted on 11/02/2001 10:54:33 AM PST by livius
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To: steve-b
All religion belongs on a scrap heap.
9 posted on 11/02/2001 11:05:39 AM PST by Warren
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To: livius
Christianity was never violent

au contrare.

You need to recheck your history. Christians have been plenty violent. One good example that's very appropriate are the Crusades. The sole purpose was to wipe out non-Christians.

I have no doubt that every Muslim is still taught about how evil the Christians were during the crusades. It helps keep the hate alive.
10 posted on 11/02/2001 11:24:17 AM PST by hawkeyeBetsy
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The sole purpose was to wipe out non-Christians.***

Not true. The purpose was to regain control of the "Holy Land" which had been overrun by Muslims. Christianity has never (except perhaps arguably the Inquisition, an anti-Christian action if ever there was one) conquered by the sword.

11 posted on 11/02/2001 11:33:17 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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All religion belongs on a scrap heap.

Madeline Murray O'Hare is that you? I thought you were dead.

12 posted on 11/02/2001 11:36:32 AM PST by mc5cents
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What ever happened to that old bag, anyway?
13 posted on 11/02/2001 11:44:37 AM PST by Warren
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To: Godfollow
I know you were addressing the Author, but he did site his sources...ie,

University of Texas at Houston, 1996
Extinction of Neanderthals
Kathleen Gibson, Ph.D.,
professor of basic science at the Dental Branch, has developed a new theory about the decline and extinction of Neanderthals. (Photo by Russell Wylie. Copyright 1996 The University of Texas-Houston Health Science Center)
In her paper, "The Biocultural Human Brain, Seasonal Migrations, and the Emergence of the Upper Paleolithic," Gibson applies, for the first time, comparative data on primate and human cognition to an analysis of the fossil and archeological record. These data suggest that "both Neanderthals and early anatomically modern humans would have possessed an essentially modern cognitive suite," meaning that they had comparable "interacting, mutually reinforcing neurological capacities." The developing human brain is "biocultural" because manifestations of human intelligence vary greatly in accordance with cultural input.
Although Neanderthals and modern humans were distinct populations for at least 60,000 or 70,000 years, perhaps longer, they had shared three to four million years of evolutionary history. Comparable brain size and structure, and the ability to make more complex tools, provide evidence that the cognitive abilities of the two groups were very similar. What set the two groups apart was a technological and a social revolution, not a biological one, Gibson said.

I do not however claim to know whether the good professor is correct or not....

14 posted on 11/02/2001 12:06:35 PM PST by MooCollins
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To: Warren
She was murdered by a transient she assisted. For her cash and valuables. I believe her son was murdered also.
15 posted on 11/02/2001 12:08:59 PM PST by MooCollins
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To: hawkeyeBetsy
One good example that's very appropriate are the Crusades. The sole purpose was to wipe out non-Christians.

Dear lady, please read your history again. You can start here to remediate your knowledge deficit. The Crusades were a defensive war against a jihad-bent Muslim society that had already overwhelmed North Africa and the entire Middle East. Compared to what the Muslims did, were doing, and later did some more right up into the 20th century, the Crusades were a blip on the radar of history. The more amazing thing is that so many people strain at a Crusader gnat and swallow the Muslim camel.
16 posted on 11/02/2001 12:18:44 PM PST by aruanan
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No kidding? I knew she has been missing for years but never heard what happened to her. Who killed her and son, and why?
17 posted on 11/02/2001 12:31:58 PM PST by Warren
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No matter who delivers the most devastating deathblows to come, mankind will always remember that the seed of this terrible death was born from within the faith of Islam and for this Islam shall never be forgiven. All across the globe, mankind will remember what shall be called the great Islamic death and that such horror must never happen again.

I agree. Few religions promote as much fanaticism and subjugation as does Islam. Their history is riddled with the vicious murders of non-Muslim and Jews. Few areas of the world have not suffered as a result of Islamic aggression and imperialism.

18 posted on 11/02/2001 12:33:13 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Warren
Never mind the who and why question. Didn't fully read your answer the first time. Thanks for info. Suppose the transient is in jail now?
19 posted on 11/02/2001 12:34:45 PM PST by Warren
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To: aruanan
My point was to basically say using the term "never" in reference to Christians having killed is incorrect.

I'm hardly one to defend Islam. But the Christians weren't without fault during the Crusades, either.
20 posted on 11/02/2001 1:11:08 PM PST by hawkeyeBetsy
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