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H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}
thomas ^ | GOVERNMENT

Posted on 10/27/2001 9:33:56 AM PDT by freedomnews

H.R.3162

Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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To: Native American Female Vet
SEC. 303. 4-YEAR CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW; EXPEDITED CONSIDERATION.

(a) IN GENERAL- Effective on and after the first day of fiscal year 2005, the provisions of this title and the amendments made by this title shall terminate if the Congress enacts a joint resolution, the text after the resolving clause of which is as follows: `That provisions of the International Money Laundering Abatement and Anti-Terrorist Financing Act of 2001, and the amendments made thereby, shall no longer have the force of law.'.

(b) EXPEDITED CONSIDERATION- Any joint resolution submitted pursuant to this section should be considered by the Congress expeditiously. In particular, it shall be considered in the Senate in accordance with the provisions of section 601(b) of the International Security Assistance and Arms Control Act of 1976.

161 posted on 10/27/2001 5:10:43 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: muawiyah
I'd like to inform you that my right to life is of greater value to both me and my country, than your right to any level of privacy.

And my right to freedom from government intrusion without due process is of greater value to both me and my country than this newfangled "right" for government to become sigmoidoscopists against law-abiding citizenry "because we're at war".

Some of us think the government is entirely capable of abusing this kind of power.

The Founding Fathers thought so. That's why we have a Constitution. Perhaps you've heard of it?

162 posted on 10/27/2001 5:13:38 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: MJY1288
I agree that some of the provisions in this bill seem a little too far reaching, but the ones I am concerned about the most will sunset Dec. 31st, 2005.

I'll bet you a buck they don't.


. I realize that after 8 years of Janet Reno abusing almost everything she and the rest of X42's administration touched, It's hard to trust anyone in the Government. But I will wait and see before I condemn George W. Bush and John Ashcroft, I think they have our safety in mind and not stripping away any of the freedoms we now enjoy.

There was some old dead white guy named Franklin who said something once about a government who gave itself more authority and power with its populaces' "safety" in mind...

You can learn a lot from some of those old dead white guys.

163 posted on 10/27/2001 5:17:15 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Big Meanie
Would this president take away citizens rights before he'd deport illegal aliens?

Ouch...

164 posted on 10/27/2001 5:18:42 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Native American Female Vet; Jolly Rodgers; PhilipFreneau
Oh, jeepers, you are such troublemakers posting all these facts on here.

"Loose lips sink ships."

Stop reminding us we're supposed to be free.

Don't you know there's a war on?

165 posted on 10/27/2001 5:25:16 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Native American Female Vet
:-)...I even named my website that... EAGLESUP.COM....I get a average thousand hits a day.....right now I am thinking of putting it up for sale :-(
166 posted on 10/27/2001 5:25:18 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: wcbtinman; sauropod; seattlesue; Keeper of the Flame; Benighted; Rowdee; Ms. AntiFeminazi...
Actually, I can. The ESA (Enviromental Species Act) sunset, I think in 1994. In any event, it has not been re-authorized and yet this very act is being enforced against the Klamath farmers today.

Comments from my friends at OA?

(And anyone who even DARES to call the fine people of OA "anti-American" can kiss my royal Heinz-57 @ss.)

167 posted on 10/27/2001 5:30:33 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
Great job! They need to read Bastiat. "A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free." Or this one as he quotes Bossuet, "But the best thing the Egyptians had taught the Greeks was to become docile, and permit themselves to be formed by the law for the public good."
168 posted on 10/27/2001 5:33:09 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: muawiyah
One of the reasons we have government is "to provide for the common defense".

I provide for the common defense - I pay for it with my tax dollars. Gladly.

I will not pay for it by relinquishing my Constitutional freedoms enumerated by the Founding Fathers you claim to respect.

169 posted on 10/27/2001 5:34:34 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: kempo
Do you not understand we are at war. The thousands that are already dead from this conflict will be nothing compared to what will happen if we continue as before. I'm not saying I like the idea of losing protected rights but before you criticise the actions taken, have an answer to the problem. How would you stop the terrorist?

We lost FReepers in the attack on 9/11...and I'll bet those noble, selfless people would have plenty to say about the proposed notion that their lives were more important than their freedoms.

BTW...if President Gore were in office proposing this, how would you react?

170 posted on 10/27/2001 5:40:20 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: kempo
Let me ask you how would you stop the terrorist? Thousands of our citizens have died and thousands more will die if we do nothing. You've just been elected President, now how are you going to stop this?

Hmmm...I've heard these arguments before...

Let me ask you how would you stop the shootings? Thousands of our citizens have died because of guns, and thousands more will die if we do nothing. You've just been elected President, now how are you going to stop people from getting killed by guns?

171 posted on 10/27/2001 5:44:43 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Deanna Knapp
The danger is not so much in the bill but as to what they will one day consider terrorism.

Bingo!

172 posted on 10/27/2001 5:45:52 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: P-Marlowe; kempo; Jolly Rodgers
To: kempo; Jolly Rodgers
I would stop the terrorist by inforcing existing laws.
Why does every new violation of law
require new laws to handle it?
We already have laws to handle terrorism.
It was done before, with no violation of our rights.
You do not understand, kempo.
We are not at war.
# 121 by exodus
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Of course not.
We have never known such a wonderful peace in our lifetime.
The view from under the sand is breathtaking, isn't it?
# 131 by P-Marlowe

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Such sarcasm, P-Marlowe.

U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 -

"(The Congress shall have Power To) To declare War,
grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal,
and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water..."

Where is your Congressional Declaration of War, P-Marlowe?

173 posted on 10/27/2001 5:47:37 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Reagan Man
You still haven't found any courage I see, but you have entered into full panic mode.

Excuse me...but considering YOU'RE the one proposing that giving up Constitutional freedoms is necessary for safety, I submit that YOU are the one who has entered into "full panic mode".

174 posted on 10/27/2001 5:47:56 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
From an excellent series of essays by James V. Schall, S.J. Georgetown University:

In the Second Special Assembly for Europe, Archbishop Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, O.F.M.Cap., Archbishop of Izmir, in Turkey, spoke on "the problem of Islam in Europe today" (L'Osservatore Romano, November 17, 1999). "I will make mention three cases that, due to their provenance, I believe to be true," he said.

1) During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an authoritative Muslim person, speaking to the Christians participating, at one point said very calmly and assuredly: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to your religious laws we will dominate you..." I would say the enemy expects US to stay the course with our open society, allowing them to infiltrate to their hearts content, sure that we will not give up our right to privacy which they so handily exploit. Remember the terrorist who missed the flights 9/11 and his computer that was protect from government scrutiny?

2) During another Islamic-Christian meeting, always organized by Christians, a Christian participant publically asked the Muslims present why they had not organized at least one meeting of this kind. The Muslim authority present answered in the following words: "Why should we? You have nothing to teach us and we have nothing to learn." A dialogue between deaf persons? It is a fact that terms such as "dialogue", "justice", "reciprocity", or concepts such as "rights of man" and "democracy" have a completely different meaning for Muslims than for us. But I believe that by now this is recognized and admitted by all. We are in harsh times and for a short spell harsh measures are called for, just as they were in WWII; during the second world war, the government didn't bother to pass bills with expiration dates, they just did as they damn well pleased to the constitutional framework. Personally, I'm encouraged that the legislators took the measure to take control over the suspensions instead of winking at the acts as they happen for our benefit ... they suspensions will expire in due course.

3) In a Catholic monastery in Jerusalem there was ... a Muslim Arab servant. A kind and honest person, he was respected greatly by the religious, who in turn were respected by him. One day, he sadly told them: "Our leaders have met and have decided that all "infidels" must be killed, but do not be afraid because I will kill you without making you suffer." This is the attitude that ignores our laws anyway, thus we must have a legislative way to go after these people while still in control of our destinies, thus the expiration dates on the bills.

Are these words anything more than naive or even "extremist" Christian reactions? The Archbishop added: "We are all aware that we must distinguish between the fanatic and violent minority from the tranquil and honest majority, but the latter, at an order given in the name of Allah or the Koran, will always march in unity and without hesitation."

175 posted on 10/27/2001 5:49:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: wcbtinman
You know, and so do the rest of us, that there is no stopping a terrorist who is willing to die for his cause. And that is exactly why this new law is dead wrong. It will not stop anything either. But the net result is that our freedoms have just been substantially eroded for a net gain of zero.

You really know how to hurt a growing government's feewings, dontcha?

176 posted on 10/27/2001 5:49:48 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
The US Supreme court, some decades ago, observed that "whatever the Constitution is, it is not a suicide pact."
177 posted on 10/27/2001 5:50:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: RadicalRik
Out with the "Red, White & Blue"....in with the "Solid Red With The Hammer & Sickle".

Out of date. Solid baby blue with the "we are the world" graphic is what's in store for us.

178 posted on 10/27/2001 5:51:33 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: choppersrule
Whoa!!!!!
179 posted on 10/27/2001 5:52:04 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: freedomnews
Unfortunately, these are the people who affect our lives. They are people who I would not turn my back on in battle.
Have you read the posts that support the GESTAPO bill?
It would be interesting to know the age group of these supporters.
If a republican does it, it must be ok!!! Ain't no difference between the parties folks.We didn't choose the candidates, the power brokers did.
Have you noticed how few powerful families control our political lives?
180 posted on 10/27/2001 5:52:59 PM PDT by poet
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