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H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}
thomas ^ | GOVERNMENT

Posted on 10/27/2001 9:33:56 AM PDT by freedomnews

H.R.3162

Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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To: kempo
Consider Amendment III of the constitution:

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

There was a time in this country when it was understood that the government was to be a respecter of individual rights -- even in time of war.

101 posted on 10/27/2001 1:27:17 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Liberty Teeth
Why don't you come get me?

Bold talk from a newbee. What did you have in mind?

102 posted on 10/27/2001 1:28:56 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: max61
".....against unreasonable searches and seizures,..." During wartime the meaning of "unreasonable" might well change, eh?!

I think we are long overdue going after the terrorists still in the US. Most of our search efforts heretofore were being stymied by peacetime 4th amendment considerations.

103 posted on 10/27/2001 1:29:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Jolly, ok your the President, your incharge, you the man, your the boss, what actions are you going to take?
104 posted on 10/27/2001 1:29:33 PM PDT by kempo
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To: muawiyah
During wartime the meaning of "unreasonable" might well change, eh?!

No. No change. Consider Amendment III.

105 posted on 10/27/2001 1:30:42 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: DonPaulJones
"My God but the cockroaches come scurrying out enmasse."

You certainly do.

107 posted on 10/27/2001 1:32:06 PM PDT by Garrisson Lee
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To: kempo
Jolly, ok your the President, your incharge, you the man, your the boss, what actions are you going to take?

That question has been answered repeatedly, and you know it. Nevertheless, when someone proposes to violate my rights, it is not my responsibility to offer them alternative means of acheiving their objectives before I can defend my rights. I don't owe the burgler an explanation about how he can feed his family without robbing me. Nor do I owe you an explanation about how the terrorist threat should be dealt with. My responsibility is to defend my rights from those who would trample them. I don't care how expedient it might seem to you. No crisis justifies the violation of your fellow man's rights. Period!

108 posted on 10/27/2001 1:33:34 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Jolly Rodgers
The first three amendments have to do with religious liberty. I have explained that so many times here it isn't funny. However, here we go again. These are the freedom of conscience amendments. They are directed at tyrants and tyrannies, not normal men and normal governments.

The third is of special interest. Louis XIV, the French tyrant, was trying to fill the pews in the local Roman Catholic churches by sending armed soldiers into the houses of Protestants ("Huguenots"). The soldiers could stay there and eat all they wished, and rape all the women and girls in the house, unless and until the head of the household began attending an RC church.

The Brits had generally not violated the "no quartering" standards for a very long time, and then the only quartering they did involved wartime and then only with otherwise empty houses.

The second amendment gives you personally the right and ability to make sure you can go to whatever church you want, or protect yourself on the streets at night, or keep people from crawling through your windows to rob and kill you. It's about both having guns and self-defense, and your right to your own conscience regarding life and death.

The first amendment is then clearly seen to be nothing more than a restatement of rights that already existed in America.

That third amendment is a hum dinger - it's the Protestant Amendment - the one that says that no matter what the government is into, whether it be Roman Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism or Islam, they have no right to intrude on your family with coercion and you can be any kind of Protestant you wish to be.

109 posted on 10/27/2001 1:38:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Native American Female Vet
To say that someone who is standing up for their rights is Anti-American...

When and where did I say that?

You're confused.

I said, quote:

America is at WAR! Those who don't want to make any sacrifices in order to help assure victory in the fight against terrorism are anti-American in my book. They should be deported immediately, or jailed as subversives. Their rhetoric only offers aid and comfort to the enemy.

I see reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits.

110 posted on 10/27/2001 1:42:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Thats what I thought, you don't have an answer.
111 posted on 10/27/2001 1:43:38 PM PDT by kempo
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To: muawiyah
The first three amendments have to do with religious liberty. I have explained that so many times here it isn't funny. However, here we go again. These are the freedom of conscience amendments. They are directed at tyrants and tyrannies, not normal men and normal governments.

You're welcome to view the world through religious lenses if you wish, but those Amendments are about far more than what myth you choose to pledge your fealty to. Yes, they most certainly are directed at tyrants and tyrannies. Furthermore, they define the limitations necessary to prevent our "normal" government from become that very thing. As we tear them down, piece by piece, our government leaves the realm of normal and descends into the hell of tyranny.

113 posted on 10/27/2001 1:51:49 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: kempo
Thats what I thought, you don't have an answer.

Perhaps you don't like my answer. When did your visa expire? Nevertheless, whether I have an answer that pleases you or not is totally irrelevant. Violating rights is NOT the answer. It will see us far more harm in the long run than the terrorists could ever accomplish on their own.

114 posted on 10/27/2001 1:53:53 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: kempo
ok your the President, your incharge, you the man, your the boss, what actions are you going to take?

Quit asking for solutions from people who can not effect policy, only to ridicule them, better to ask your turncoat sellout President and how he might salvage his presidency. Maybe he can get the Senate to crown him King.

115 posted on 10/27/2001 1:56:31 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: Reagan Man
And I see that you still won't rationally discuss anyone who disagrees with YOU and instead insist on attempting to humiliate me, so never mind. I'm in full panic mode........NOT!

At least MJ1288 had a decent and rational response to my questions and he/she had a good point; to give it a chance.

You also accuse me of a personal attack. You need to go back and read your original post on this thread if you want to see personal attacks on people who simply want to question and discuss what's going on with our government. Last time I checked, it was still legal.

116 posted on 10/27/2001 2:05:08 PM PDT by LiberteeBell
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To: MJY1288
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To: dcwusmc
"...when we have foriegners coming to this country and using the freedoms we have..."
"... I don't agree with some of this bill, but to sit and do nothing just invites..."
These terrorist were using the net to send their messages,
they took advantage of our poorly enforced immigration laws..."
What would you suggest we do?..."
# 63 by MJY1288

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I would suggest, MJY1288,
that we inforce the laws we have,
instead of violating the rights of citizens.

Our "politically correct" government allowed this attact to happen.
We couldn't show dis-respect to countries known to be sponsoring terrorists
by keeping out that countries citizens, now could we?

Our government let people come over here
and learn skills that could be used against us.
Does that "provide for the common defense?"

You worry about poorly inforced immigration laws?
The men who crashed the planes were here legally.
Legal residents from countries known to sponsor terrorism.

I don't believe that's a reason
to tell good American citizens
to abandon their rights.

117 posted on 10/27/2001 2:08:49 PM PDT by exodus
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To: kempo
Doesn't it bother you in the least that we are STILL bringing Syrians into this country to train at our flying schools? Doesn't it bother you that we are assuring the Saudis that they will not face any new restrictions to entering our country? Does it not bother you that the southern border is effectively unprotected? Doesn't it bother you that the "right-wing" is being targetted as the perpetrators of the anthrax attack while the evidence continues to mount that Iraq is the source?

It bothers me. It bothers me a great deal that I'm being asked to sacrifice my rights to solve a crisis that the very people who now wish to take those rights have aided and abetted by following race and religiously biased policies.

118 posted on 10/27/2001 2:15:33 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Native American Female Vet; max61; wcbtinman
It is futile to attempt to have a reasonable discussion with Reagan Man because it seems that we are Anti-American subversives who need to be deported NOW! Plus, we are in a full panic mode and have failed reading comprehension.
119 posted on 10/27/2001 2:20:01 PM PDT by LiberteeBell
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To: LiberteeBell
I'll have a rational discussion with anyone and at anytime. I'll even be willing to have a rational discussion with you at anytime. Just as soon as you you get down off your high horse and respect what others have to say.

You may have addressed your reply in #37 to both MJ1288 and myself, but your remarks were entirely aimed only at me.

BTW, my original remarks speak for themselves, but in no way did they attack anyone in a direct personal manner. You continually have come after me with ridiculous assertions and personal attacks. If that's what turns you on, go for it.

120 posted on 10/27/2001 2:21:38 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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