Let's Restore Medina to the Jews

The Dhimmi (Jews and Christians under Islam) | 1980 (French) 1985 (Translation to English) | Bat Ye'or

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From Chapter 1, Historical Outline:

In the year 622, on the invitation of the Ansar - a group of pagans converted to Islam - Muhammad and his small band of followers left Mecca for Yathrib (Medina). The population then consisted of polytheistic clans, of Jewish tribes that had long been established in Arabia, and Arabs converted to Judaism. ...

The arrival of Muhammad and his followers provoked no opposition from the Jews. ...

In 624 Muhammad, joined by more followers, called upon the Qaynuqa, one of the Jewish tribes of Medina, to recognize his prophetic mission. When they refused, he besieged and overcame them. On the intercession of one of their protectors - a recent convert to Islam - their lives were spared, but they were expelled from the city, their lands and a part of their possessions being confiscated by the Muslims. The following year the Jewish Nadir tribe suffered a similar fate: Muhammad burned down their palm groves and divided all their fields and houses among the community of Believers. [footnote]

In 627 the Meccans sent a united force to lay siege to the Muslims in Medina, but they withdrew suddenly on a stormy night without fighting. However, guided by the angel Gabriel, Muhammad then turned his host against the Jewish tribe of the Qurayza who had been neutral during the seige. Because the Jews refused conversion, Muhammad attacked and overwhelmed them. Trenches were then dug in the marketplace of Medina, and the Jews - six to nine hundred of them, according to traditional Muslim sources - were led forth in batches and decapitated. All the menfolk perished in this way, with the exception of one convert to Islam. The Prophet then divided the women, children, houses, and chattels among the Muslims.[footnote]

... In 628, taking advantage of a treaty of nonbelligerency (Hudaybiya) with the Meccans[footnote], he attacked the oasis of Khaybar, one hundred and forty kilometers northwest of Medina, cultivated by another Jewish tribe. The assailants came to the oasis at night and in the morning attacked the peasants as they were coming out to work in the fields, carrying spades and baskets.[footnote] Their palm groves were burned down. After a siege lasting month and a half, the inhabitants surrendered under the terms of a treaty known as the dhimma. According to the agreement Muhammad allowed the Jews to continue cultivating their oasis, on the condition that they ceded to him half of their produce; he also reserved the right to break the agreement and expel them whenever he wished.[footnote] Subsequently, all the Jewish and Christian communities of Arabia submitted to the Muslims under the terms of a dhimma similar to that granted at Khaybar. ...

[Who is George Salt?]

There is something you should remember about all this hate you are spreading - what goes around comes around.

[Cachelot]

Jewish culture is just as primitive in many aspects as Arab culture. They are, after all, both semitic

Not half racist, you? More like one-and-a-half?

[Lent]

Why are you then denying the Jews their complete homeland in Israel?

[wife-mom]

LOL!

[Patria One]

For starters they produce produces 712,000 tons of cereals per year and supply most of the third world with sulfer and urea fertilizers. Their cattle herds are extensive in Tobruok.(sp) They produce dates and have significant off-shore canneries. Mining is pretty strong. Some brick and ceramic manufacturing. They mine and sell salt. Jubail and Yanbu have a lot of light manufacturing. Petroleum now provides about 40 percent of their GNP and they won't run out of oil for another hundred years.

I'd say they are blessed_____ have used their resources wisely and continue to do so.

[Lent]

I bought this book after reading a FR thread from Oct 6. It references an article from Christiainty Today. This book, and another by Bay Ye'or are reviewed at amazon.com. (I was unable to obtain the second book through Amazon.)

I have both books. The second, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam(1996) is even more in depth and an eye-opener as to how Islam destroyed whole Eastern Christian communities. Recommend the book highly.

[operation clinton cleanup]

The only good Jew is a friend of a someone who hates a muslim.

[Who is George Salt?]

You are a belligerent little twit, aren't you? Probably comes from your inability to cope with the modern world.

[Burkeman1]

You might have a point- if you dealt in reality. Palestinians are treated better in Isreal and have more rights than do most every Islamic country in the world with the exception of Turkey. Why are Palestinians treated like crap and servants in the rest of the Arab world? Funny- there are Mosques, Christian Churches, and temples in Isreal. There are almost no Churches or temples in the rest of the Islamic world- for Islam can't live side by side other minorities or beliefs without wanting to kill them. The Copts in Eygpt are continually attacked. Look At Sudan and the enslavement of Southern Christians. In Nigeria Muslems just slaughtered hundreds of Christians. In Rome- the home of the largest Christian Church- and the Vatican- there are Mosques. In Suadi Arabia there is not one Christian Church- and it is illegal to even practice another religion! YOu can be executed for distributing Christian Bibles. Isreal is an Ethnic cleanser? What a disgusting joke. Islam is an intolerant religion that has cleansed it's lands of every minority within it's reach. Sick.

[FrogMom]

Bump for book references.

[Patria One]

Remember that Turkey fought on the side of the Germans in WW1.. That why they lost their stranglehold on the ME in 1917. They Arabs fought with the Allies.

[Patria One]

"They" should be "the".. my apologies.

[Rain-maker]

LLAN-DDEUSANT


Hmmm...suprised you are not banned from FR for your
continued personal attacks and irrational idiocy.


Maybe a petition is in order...

[dighton]

For starters they produce produces 712,000 tons of cereals per year and supply most of the third world with sulfer and urea fertilizers. Their cattle herds are extensive in Tobruok.(sp) They produce dates and have significant off-shore canneries. Mining is pretty strong. Some brick and ceramic manufacturing. They mine and sell salt. Jubail and Yanbu have a lot of light manufacturing.

How picturesque: the very spot for my dream vacation. How do I get a tourist visa?

[Ax]

Welcome to the Bigs, cara contessa. You will be changed forever.

[Patria One]

Perhaps you are unwanted there, or do you think that you have the right of access anywhere?

[KillerWabbit]

although the final compiler of Genesis must have been a Jew, he wants us to know that the progeny of Ishmael still has a great destiny. "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation" (Genesis 17:20).

Interesting with all the Bible references to Ishmael you mentioned you left out this one:

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

[Texas_Longhorn]

Isn't there a Shawn Connery movie with the same plot?