Posted on 10/27/2001 6:33:03 AM PDT by ml/nj
don't you ever tire of being a stooge ??
That made me laugh.
I am hazy on this, but I believe that in the Hadith(?), Aisha (the child-bride of Mohammed) is quoted as saying something that roughly translates as "Isn't it funny that Allah always tells you what you want to hear?"
I'm a native of Lancaster, but I'm living in Pittsburgh now. Click on my name and you'll get a quick profile of me.
Islam argues best at the fourth grade playground level: unsubstantiated claims, silly superstitions, circular reasoning, deliberate lies, the always popular and convincing "Oh, yeah? Says who?", and of course the last resort weapon of the weak argument, violence.
Reasoning with children who stick their fingers in their ears and yell is pointless. They need to be spanked and made to stand in the corner for a millenia.
Repressive tyranny should be defeated wherever it is practiced, especially under the guise of religion.
Do you have a source for the nonsense you post or do you just make things up to suit the occasion?
Here's what the Encyclopedia Britannica (1998) has to say about Medina:
The city developed from an oasis, probably settled by Jews expelled from Palestine about AD 135. In 622 the Prophet Muhammad arrived at Medina from Mecca. This flight, known as the Hegira, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar. Soon afterward Muhammad drove out the Jews who had controlled the oasis. Thereafter known as Medina, the city prospered as the administrative capital of the steadily expanding Islamic state, a position it maintained until 661 ...What does it mean in your history: put up no resistance? They willingly allowed themselves to be slaughtered for the glory of your Allah?
ML/NJ
I don’t know the source of these information, however I can write a book and tell that Jesus Christ was a killer and psychotic and his mother was a prostitute and that he has several complexes in his mind which made him pretend to be God’s son and that the Jews discovered his conspiracy and killed him on the cross. I could write a book and prove that there is not even a single evidence on the existence of Jesus, I could write what ever I want and I will find people who will be easily deceived by my false information. You have to be more rational than that, what will make prophet mohammed hate the Jews? What will make him wage a war against them and drive them out of the Arabian peninsula? Is that because they didn’t follow him, this entirely false because there is an important rule in Islam which says that there is no compulsion in religion and that it must come from the heart.
What I mean that Islam has its enemies which are trying to disfigure its reputation, for example your comments on the jews of Elmadina you didn’t mention the causes of their expelling from that city and that is because they tried to harass a Muslim woman who came to their market for buying some goods and that when she asked for help one of the Muslim youth rushed to help her but he was killed and in response to that prophet muhammed realized that those tribes will be a source of disruption in his newly formed Islamic community then he ordered their departure, this is in conjunction to their previous attempts to launch a civil war between the two main people of el madina (ElAous) and (Elkhazrag).
The next event when the prophet mohammed ordered to kill their men and to capture their wives and children occurred for a different tribe and for different reason which is…..
When prophet mohammed came to Elmadina for the first time, he make an alliance with the jews. Soon after the jews realized that this prophet was not there expected one, so they turned their faces to him by setting conspiracies to disrupt the newly formed Islamic state and by making contacts with Meka in order to arrange for war against Islam which was commonly known as the war of the Trench. When the infidels of Meka asked the Jews whether their religion is better or Islam, the Jews answered wrongly on purpose that the pagan religion of Meka is better and there is several jewish historian who admit this mistake because Muslims were worshipping God but the people of Meka were worshipping only stone statues.
When the Meka army besieged the Muslims in Elmadina, prophet Mohammed expected that the jews will remain neutral but unfortunately there were news coming to him that several jews youth were attacking the houses of women and that the jews were making arrangements to attack Muslims from their rear which proved true.
After the defeat of the Meka army prophet mohammed make a trial for those jews and they were found guilty and tried according to their Bible by killing all the men and taking their property. Some of you will find this decision is cruel but if you imagined the extremely serious situation which the jews put the Muslim in, you will not be so affectioned because the whole Islamic cause was threatened by both the Meka who were determined to erase and revenge from the Muslims who repeatedly defeated them. The jews betrayed Muslims in meka and that is why they were dismissed from the Arabian peninsula. This is the whole true story.
islam is the most tolerant religion in the earth becase we are the single religion which respect judaism, and christianity and consider their books sacred, we consider islam is the continuation to christianity and jews.
I don’t know the source of these information
You don't know, or you don't want to know? I said that the source is Bat Ye'or. She is an academic born in Egypt, and now living is Switzerland. (CV here) The book I quoted from was published by Fairleigh Dickinson University Press here in the US. (Amazon Reviews here) In academic texts like this one there are footnotes (as I indicated in original post here). Bat Ye'ors here have Arabic sounding names like al-Bukhari and Ibn Ishaq. Maybe you will tell me that these folks are infidels who don't know what they are talking about, but I'm not going to buy it. (This book was written in 1980, by the way, before the recent unpleasantness began.)
You see I have an education too. I haven't read just one book. Our western education is about evaluating research material, and seeing whether it is consistent with other materials. My judgment is that Bat Ye'or's work is top drawer. And I have no idea who you are or whether you even went to a university. (Certainly your English leaves something to be desired, but I do credit you for trying.)
I can write a book and tell that Jesus Christ was a killer and psychotic and his mother was a prostitute and that he has several complexes in his mind which made him pretend to be God’s son and that the Jews discovered his conspiracy and killed him on the cross. I could write a book and prove that there is not even a single evidence on the existence of Jesus
Yes you could. And you have sort have done that here with your own misunderstanding of history. Not a single evidence for Jesus? Really? What are the Gospels? You might say that there is little non-Christian evidence for Jesus, but what non-Islamic evidence is there for Muhammed? Should I doubt Muhammed existed?
what will make prophet mohammed hate the Jews? What will make him wage a war against them and drive them out of the Arabian peninsula? Is that because they didn’t follow him, this entirely false because there is an important rule in Islam which says that there is no compulsion in religion and that it must come from the heart.
Here I just have to quote your own book back to you:
Qur’an 59:2 “It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah’s [actually Muhammad’s] (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the torment of Hell Fire.”What I mean that Islam has its enemies which are trying to disfigure its reputation
It's curious, isn't it that Islam has so many enemies? Someone once said Islam has "bloody borders." Your enemies seem to include Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and everyone else. Who is it that you respect? Who is it that you would treat as an equal?
Your reputation comes from flying airplanes into buildings, and bombing pizzerias. It comes from sending your children out to kill, and hiding behind your women. It comes from your total disregard for how we infidels feel about anything and everything.
Please tell me why it is that you cannot live with the Israelis. Do they not let you have your mosques and customs? What right is it that you seek that is denied to any Muslim living in Israel?
islam is the most tolerant religion in the earth becase we are the single religion which respect judaism, and christianity and consider their books sacred, we consider islam is the continuation to christianity and jews.
You do not get to judge yourself. You may say that you are tolerant and that you respect Judaism, but it's hard to find a country where Muslims have political control where there are very many Jews. You may consider the Bible sacred but just don't get caught with one in Saudi Arabia. Is it okay with you if we do not consider you and your Prophet to be the continuation of our Judeo-Christian beliefs?
Just because most of your people are essentially uneducated and lacking in some yardstick by which to judge, do not expect that we are the same. Go back to where you came from. Leave us alone, and we will leave you alone. But if you do not, do not expect our little PC responses forever.
ML/NJ
BRAVO!!!
I think there is a misunderstanding here, I didn’t mean to make doubts in Jesus because we are Muslims believe in him, but what I meant is that don’t believe all what you read about Islam. Yes the Hadith about Jihad is all right but it was told in specific occasions were Muslims were being threatened every day by enemies everywhere. Those Hadith can not be applied now because there is no state of war between the western world and Islam. You don’t attack my country so why should I attack you. The people who made the bombing of 9/11 and that of London and that of Sharm Elsheikh in Egypt are not representing Muslims and Islam, they are to be called terrorists and not us. We are a normal people just like you and if you don’t believe me come and visit Egypt and talk to the regular people in the streets and you will find that we all hate violence. We watch western movies and we know all the American movie stars, we appreciate your moral values and your scientific progress, we see America as a continuation to the human race progress. We don’t envy America for this because god has said in the holy Quran that (He who put the Power where ever he wants).
Let us not to talk about the past, let us focus on the problems of our contemporary life and the future as well.
By the way, I am sorry for my bad English, I am a student at the medical school, Ain Shams University.
by the way, take a glimpse at the Palestinian site or any of the arabian T.V channels and see how many palestinaian children being killed every day.
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