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The Psychosis We Won't Name (Muslim anti-Semitism)
Andrew Sullivan.com ^ | 10/16/01 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/16/2001 6:17:16 AM PDT by vrwc54

I read today that a Newsweek poll in Pakistan found that 48 percent of Pakistanis believe that Israel was behind the September 11 massacre. Reports from around the Middle East also show this to be a widespread belief among Arabs and Muslims. It is also echoed by the defeatist factions on the far left and the far right in this country.

Prince Alaweed responded yesterday to Rudy Giuliani's heroic return of the Saudi prince's blood money in these words: "The whole issue is that I spoke about their position [on the Middle East conflict] and they didn't like it because there are Jewish pressures and they were afraid of them." This quote was to the newspaper Okaz, according to the New York Post. Alaweed knew exactly how to explain the affront to his native audience.

There is only one word for this sickness and it is anti-Semitism. Somehow, we have not yet named the psychosis that affects large numbers of Muslims. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel's policies toward the Palestinians, whatever Tony Blair naively believes. The overwhelming majority of Arab Muslims do not want an accommodation with Israel. They want its obliteration and the expulsion or murder of every Jew that lives there.

This anti-Semitism is openly fostered and fomented by many of the "moderate" Arab regimes we are now busy cozying up to. It is widely believed across the Muslim world - from the Philippines to Morocco to the denizens of our own native Muslim, Mr. Farrakhan.

One of our greatest mistakes in the past few years has been to avoid calling this what it is: a sickness that only half a century ago was responsible for the greatest crime in the history of mankind. Why, one wonders, have no Western leaders confronted this ugly truth and condemned it? What hasn't the Pope?

The rhetoric of bin Laden is not simply fundamentalist. In its structure and paranoia, it is not so different from the doctrines propagated by Hitler. These bin Laden-supporting Muslims want non-Muslims expelled from a wide swathe of Arab territory. They want Lebensraum, and the primary victim of such Lebensraum will once again be the Jews. Israel may not be the first cause cited by bin Laden but it surely is a critical one.

It seems to me that our squeamishness in naming and recognizing this phenomenon is blunting our ability to confront it. Once again, we are faced with an expansionist, terrorist ideology that uses the demonization of Jews as one of its major rallying cries. What more do we need to know?



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1 posted on 10/16/2001 6:17:16 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
A great war is coming. I pray we survive.

The Nazis have returned.

2 posted on 10/16/2001 6:25:07 AM PDT by DB
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To: vrwc54
Well, I may have been off a little on my prediction, but post 18 shows that I had the right idea. There is an amazing level of conspiracy belief amongt muslims. FAR more prevelent than the tin-foil hat crowd here.
3 posted on 10/16/2001 6:29:03 AM PDT by self_evident
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To: BenF
FYI
4 posted on 10/16/2001 6:31:03 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: Ron Fletcher
Mohammed started out respecting the Jews, but over time when the Jews refused to "convert" to Islam they became hated enemies. Christians are seen as essentially the same as Jews in the view of Islam.
6 posted on 10/16/2001 6:41:30 AM PDT by DB
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To: vrwc54
For a second, I thought he was going to discuss Same Sex Attraction Disorder!
7 posted on 10/16/2001 6:43:50 AM PDT by FormerLib
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To: candyman34
If WTC was an Israeli act, why did one Pakistani family in NY know about it in advance and one middle eastern kid (non Jewish)in TX know about it in advance. These are documented. No telling how many other muslims knew.
9 posted on 10/16/2001 7:00:56 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: vrwc54
Anyone who reads bin Laden's interviews - and the despicable words that he actually utters in public - can only conclude that he is today's Hitler.

The man and his followers are pure, unmitigated evil, as I pointed out on Sept. 18.

10 posted on 10/16/2001 7:13:02 AM PDT by angkor
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To: vrwc54

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11 posted on 10/16/2001 7:14:07 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: vrwc54
Only 48%? I would say that is pretty good for a Paki poll.
12 posted on 10/16/2001 7:16:19 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: angkor
Anyone who reads bin Laden's interviews - and the despicable words that he actually utters in public - can only conclude that he is today's Hitler.

In sheer numbers alone, bin-Laden probably has more adherents than did Hitler.
The cancer was allowed to spread for too long.
Emergency surgery is now required.

13 posted on 10/16/2001 7:16:29 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: self_evident
Well, I may have been off a little on my prediction, but post 18 shows that I had the right idea. There is an amazing level of conspiracy belief amongt muslims. FAR more prevelent than the tin-foil hat crowd here.

I find this conspiracist thinking quite pervalent in Latin America, and hispanics as well. I used to think that conspiracism was just a result of somewhat back-ass thinking, third and second world countries... which is why I get so dismayed to see it on display here in this country.

14 posted on 10/16/2001 7:22:55 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: candyman34
the right wing branch of the zionists that like to play the victim

Hey pal. Its you and your cowardly Nancy-boy compatriots in the "war against Zionism" who run airplanes into office buildings, explode nail bombs in pizza restaurants, and run continued and deliberate assaults against unarmed and innocent civilians.

All this, so that you can get into Paradise with your 70 houri virgins and lounge around on green silk pillows.

Your religion - or at least your twisted version of your "religion" - is a prescription for selfish, pornographic suicide and the murder of innocents, simply because you can't get laid without the accompanying death of countless innocent bystanders.

You and your cohorts have been practicing the most abominable and Satanic actions against humanity for thirty years now, and you must be wiped out.

Totally, completely, and permanently.

15 posted on 10/16/2001 7:24:11 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
Anyone who reads bin Laden's interviews - and the despicable words that he actually utters in public - can only conclude that he is today's Hitler.

It's actually deeper than that. Hitler was only a tool of Satan. He tried to accomplish several of Satan's goals, one in which he tried to eliminate the Jews, and thus, prevent the establishment (which had to come, according to the Bible) of the "state of Israel".

And so, Osama bin Laden is another person who is the tool of Satan. However, with Osama bin Laden, he is not the primary concern (although a "present target" nonetheless).

The primary concern is the evil and Satan religion of Islam, which Osama bin Laden uses as his justification. And there is justification within Islam for what he is doing. HOWEVER, that justification comes from a "false and evil religion" whose goals are the same goals as the ones described of Satan in the Bible. And thus, the "justification" is not a righteous justification, but an evil one.

THEREFORE, we see, through God's eyes (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) that "Allah" is simply another name for Satan. Those who adhere to Islam are worshippers of Allah, the false god of this world, aka Satan.

Thus, if you remove Osama bin Laden, you still have Islam -- which is evil. The problem does not go away. You can see this very clearly by the overwhelming support that Osama bin Laden gets in the belief that this is support of Islam.

We see the following from Osama bin Laden and other named clerics --

 

Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

World Islamic Front Statement

23 February 1998

Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlul Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.

Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it [EMPHASIS ADDED], in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said: "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


You'll find this information at --
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

 

16 posted on 10/16/2001 7:28:02 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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17 posted on 10/16/2001 7:29:48 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: candyman34
i think the perfect solution to this would be - put all the racist zionists in hell for eternity

Interesting style. Do you have a twitch too?

18 posted on 10/16/2001 7:30:32 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: vrwc54
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19 posted on 10/16/2001 7:34:34 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ppaul
I cannot understand why a dirt poor, illiterate, afgani or paki would hate the jews so much. They have never even seen a jew. The problem is in the religion and the moslim religious "leaders". No accountability .... blame the jews.
20 posted on 10/16/2001 7:45:01 AM PDT by farsighted
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