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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
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[SoothingDave]

So Dave your Italian! So am I. My mother was a full Italian. I have a picture of her grandparents when they came through Ellis Island. So you make any pasta dishes from scratch. We were raised on pasta, but my mother passed away before she taught me some of her recepies. But our family still gets together before christmas to make capeletti to have with our christmas dinner. Sorry for the ramble.

No, sorry. Angelo, the Packer fan, is Italian. The only Sicilian Jew in Wisconsin it says on his business card.

I am the product of an Irish father and an English and Swedish mother.

There are many Italians around here and the city I live right outside of is an Italian town. I don't know if you've ever used DeLallo products that are carried in some supermarkets, but they are headquartered just a few minutes away. They have a market there and my wife just stopped the other day for pastries and super jumbo Italian store eggs.

SD

[SoothingDave]

I think what he is saying is that God could have blinked His eyes and repaired the damage done by Adam. God wrote those prophecies as well. If He had wanted a different kind of redemption, He would have inspired those authors differently.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Sorry for the mistake, and thanks for the clear answer to my question.

Becky

[SoothingDave]

No problem. Does you family (or did your family) do a big meal on Christmas Eve? That is a tradition a lot of Italians here keep. For some reason they make a lot of dishes with fish. It's like eating pork or black eyed peas or whatever on New Year's for luck. You have to eat seven kinds of fish. Or twelve. Or something. It can vary from family to family.

SD

[eastsider]

I think what he is saying is that God could have blinked His eyes and repaired the damage done by Adam. God wrote those prophecies as well. If He had wanted a different kind of redemption, He would have inspired those authors differently.

That's the same sense I got from it.

[nobdysfool]

I'm curious. What purpose does praying in tongues serve? What about it makes it a manifestation of the Spirit of God?

1 Cor. 14:14-15 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind does not understand. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with my understanding also; I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with my understanding also.

It is a manifestation of the Spirit of God, a gift given for the personal benefit of the recipient. Ordinarily, one receives this gift when one receives the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. There is enough evidence in the NT to prove that it is an experience after salvation, although it can happen simultaneously (or nearly so) with salvation. Scripture states that "at the mouth of two or three witnesses let everything be established", and there are at least four instances in Acts where there was a definite time lapse between salvation and the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. In every case, the Baptism in the Holy Spirit was administered with tongues being the evidence or result.

It's purpose is to help us pray when we don't know what to pray for, and to worship God. Any reason you can think of why that wouldn't be a good thing?

[eastsider]

Fish on Christmas Eve is a French Canadian tradition too. My mom still makes oyster stew and steamed lobster, while my dad cooks meat pies for Christmas Day and beyond.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

My mother was an orphan raised by an aunt, so there was not alot of people to gather for christmas. But we did have a big Italian dinner, capeletti, riceotta, and some other things that I can't spell. Afer she died, being the only girl in the family, I have abrother who has 2 boys but he is divorced, I got the job of doing the cooking now. We get together a few weeks before christmas to make the capeletti, (that's ravioli sorta) and I freeze them till christmas. We have that and another thing that my mom made that is not Italian, City Chicken, (which is actually not chicken:). Mack liked that so well that she started making them for him every christmas and it became tradition. So no turkey and dressing here. But it is nice to have a traditon like this that my kids enjoy and I know they will carry it on.

Becky

[al_c]

Velveeta, Limburger, Cheddar, Guda, Provalone, Swiss, Monterey Jack, Colby, longhorn, Jalapeno, American, Ricotta, Romano, Parmisan, Mozzerella, cottage, Cheezewhiz, etc. Only a true Packer fan can tell me what I've left off of this list.

Brie, goat cheese, Pepper Jack ... there's plenty more.

And I'm not a packer fan.

[SoothingDave]

City Chicken, (which is actually not chicken:).

The only way I know how to make city chicken is to barbecue it. We almost always have ham on Christmas. After just getting rid of the last of the Thanksgiving bird, who wants to eat another one?

SD

[nobdysfool]

I think what he is saying is that God could have blinked His eyes and repaired the damage done by Adam. God wrote those prophecies as well. If He had wanted a different kind of redemption, He would have inspired those authors differently.

Well, He would have had to do things differently, starting with killing two animals to make coverings for Adam and Eve. He established right there that the covering of sin requires the shedding of innocent blood. I can see what you're saying, from the standpoint of God's omnipotence, but I believe He did things as He did for a very definite reason, it wasn't just choosing between several different options. Even in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus was asking if there was another way, even though He knew there wasn't. I see two things there: Jesus revealed His total humanity at that moment, He was a human as you or I in not wanting to go through all that pain, but as God, He knew it wasn't possible to avoid it. He had to settle the question in His flesh at that moment. The second point is that even an omnipotent God was constrained by the task and duty that lay before Him. He chose this path before the foundation of the world, when all that is was just a gleam in His eye, a thought in His mind.

I find it disturbing to think that God could have done it some other way, or not done it at all. I'm glad He did it, otherwise, we'd be in deep, deep trouble....

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I think I'm hungry:)

Becky

[IMRight]

Edam. The first cheese to fall.

http://welcome.to/cheese-today

[SoothingDave]

It's ten till lunch time here. :-)

SD

[eastsider]

It's ten till lunch time here. :-)

Twenty past, here. : )

[SoothingDave]

I find it disturbing to think that God could have done it some other way, or not done it at all. I'm glad He did it, otherwise, we'd be in deep, deep trouble....

Not doing it at all is a scary thought. But if God had had a better plan, it would only be one that would be even more majestic and glorious.

SD

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

But how is it then, brethren? When you come together EVERY ONE OF YOU has a psalm, has a doctrine, HAS A TONGUE, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let ALL things be done unto edyifying (emphasis mine).
You are right and Paul was correcting an error that the church was making hence the purpose for 1stCorinthians in the first place. He wanted to help give them order to what they were doing however this passage is a scape goat to modern day Pentacostals and they use it as an excuse not to correct their disorder?

"For the Spirit helps our infirmities, for we know not how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered."
I have experienced this where I felt so deep in prayer and would even cry but not know what to say so I felt like groaning. I kept most of it in though yet I relate to this verse.
This passage though, is not an excuse or license for every Christian to invent his own Star Trek language.
Before it is brought up as another example
Though I speak with tounges of men and angels, and have not love>>>"

Hyperbole, exageration. A common way to get the point across. Just like saying the "Stars will fall from Heaven" exagerated terms to press a point. Even if Paul were to speak in the language of God Himself, yet had not love, it would mean nothing.

[al_c]

Sigh,

Look I am not trying to convert you. I am not trying to be insulting.

I know that and I'm taking your questions as insulting or an attempt to convert.

I AM frustrated. I just want to know what catholic's BELIEVE. But the words you all use are so ambiguous. Channel, ultimate. These words can be taken in several ways.

No, not really. When I say the ultimate source of grace is God, that's exactly what I mean. We are not the source by any means.

Are you saying that grace comes from God THROUGH us. Or does grace go directly to a person who has accepted salvation on God's terms BECAUSE we told them the gospel.

Why is this a problem? In my eyes, these are both true statements and go hand in hand. Though us (those spreading the gospel) God sends his grace to those receiving the word.

So what do catholics believe? Can you receive grace from God througha person, or just straight from God?

I believe both are possible. God can either choose to open a person's eyes (as Jesus did with Saul) or He can use a person as a channel (as He did with Paul after his conversion).

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

City Chicken: Cube round steak and pork chop (1 sq. inch cubes) Then take a short meat skewer (6 inches) and stab on a cube of steak then a cube of pork all up the skewer. Salt and pepper, roll in beaten eggs then finely ground cracker crumbs, fry slowly till cooked.

I don't know if it got it's name because it's fried like chicken or when it's done they kinda resemble a chicken leg. What ever they do take alot of time when you are feeding 15 people, (my son eats about 8 by himself every year) but they are worth it.

Becky