Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Is this a new definition here? "Doubletalk" n. - Anything too complicated for Havoc to understand.
I'll explain it to ya more slowly if you like. You have no conception whatsoever, "dna testing" "it's merely symbolic" you really have no clue.
SD
Wow! If that had been addressed to me, I'd have no choice but to bark back a hearty "Sir, yes sir!"
Carry on.
Do you mean that kinda page? lol
How 'bout those Cowboys?
Steven, really. This is mind-numbingly anti-historical and anti-intellectual. The "Bible doesn't require" a lot of thing we do in the name of God. Not explicitly anyway. I would think that keeping good records of our thoughts about the Bible and God would be a helpful service to the Christians that would come after us. Give them a "leg up" on studying and understanding the Bible themselves.
SD
I got all the written documentation I need. Its called the Holy Bible.
I see. So you can’t prove your denomination has been around since the time of the Apostles either. So our documentation is bogus and you can’t provide any of yours. You guys are too much.
My denomination? News to me. Didn't know I had one.
Its all been provided Dave. The Lord gave us the "leg up" in a book called The Holy Bible. The "records" you refer too are contaminated and untrustworthy. If that's "anti-intellectual" so be it.
Consider "denomination" as shorthand for "all those people who believe in God and the Bible in the same way you do."
Now, isn't "denomination" shorter?
The point remains, where are the people in history who believe what you do and where were they before the turn of the 20th century?
SD
We seem to be on the same page particularly :
I do not ask in behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
I understand this phrase to mean "the Word", "the Holy Spirit breathed Word" penned by the apostles.
My only disagreement is over the phrase "until the end of the world."
My understanding is "until the end of the age" .
Tehillim (Psalm) 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer
XeniaSt
To which I reply "What about those Cowboys?" Needless to say, I was unimpressed. Emmitt looked good, but overall, it was quite a lackluster performance. They did play some solid football, but as usual, they couldn't finish off a drive.
Wrong - so wrong. But I see you are still trying to become a self styled psychiatrist. You need to lay down on the couch tho and talk to Jesus, bud.
Perhaps my comment would be more accurately stated: You believe you have come to learn God's mind - you often speak for God with no distinction, caveat or qualification made.
Jesus spoke for the Father and for himself. I know the word and the Word speaks for itself. To that extent, I have no problem speaking with the authority that Jesus has given us through his sacrifice. Nor do I have a problem boldly thumbing my nose at the devil and putting him in his place. Got a problem with that? Too bad.
Such gurus gain followers, those easily led by self-confident, knowledgeable, eridite and strident, the gurus are greatly driven, motivated by accumulating followers, but they tend to fall in their own pride, by not living up to the expectations they have created for themselves.
Gurus are liars and self-seekers. I draw people to Jesus. I don't want or need anyone following me. They need to be following Christ. That is where I point them and that's where they need to be going - to Christ. This whole guru thing is a self-defense mechanism for you. Try on some of your own psycho babble and don't waste my time with it, please.
I wish you well, honestly, but I will not be surprised to see this in your future.
Sorry, I leave pious fraud to false prophets and teachers. My Father has souls to save and I must be about the Father's business. My witness speaks for itself. You're profound mischaracterization of it is tribute to your intent to color me in whatever way possible to shut me up. I won't shut up - the word will not be silent, nor will the truth.
The point remains cuz I guess the Bible isn't enough for you. The people in history who believe what I do? I suppose in Abraham's bossom waiting for that great and terrible day of the Lord.
And the history of the faith, even if "contaminated" is not worthy of a look. You take the Bible and ignore everything else about what past Christians have had to say. Two millennia of Christians, some right, some wrong, have nothing to add to your benefit?
Yeah, that's anti-intellectual. It also leads many to follow the same stunted paths over and over, not realizing that the collective mind of Christendom has rejected these paths. And rejected them for cogent reasons and to forestall the development of further heresy.
SD
Whatever you call yourself there should be a historical record of those who hold the same beliefs as you do from the time of the Apostles to the present. If there's not, you should be asking yourself some questions.
Can't you see the point is in dispute? I see the early development of the Catholic Church in the Bible. You see the early development of the invisible Church, which just happened to have Apostles still alive and able to speak with the authority which would soon be lost forever.
The Bible can not solve this problem by itself.
So we turn to the earliest history we have and we can conclude the existence of a proto-Catholic Church in early history. And we turn to the early history of your church, of the group of true "invisible Church" Christians, and we can't find it.
No history at all. Not until way after the Reformation. It's almost like these types of Christians never existed until the 20th Century.
The people in history who believe what I do? I suppose in Abraham's bossom waiting for that great and terrible day of the Lord.
Not "where are they now," but "where are they in history"?
SD
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.