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[malakhi]

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[OLD REGGIE]

So? Doesn't say Jesus is dead, does it?

Now what were you trying to prove?

That, this time your chosen "strawman" was your out of context claim that Havoc claimed, or implied, "you" taught "Jesus is dead". This is pure baloney.

BTW. Do you feel any responsibility to prove your claims such as "this has to be a lie" and similar "lie" comments?

Did you appreciate the graphic?

[malakhi]

To ALL: Please pray for me. I had a bad bout with kidney stones last night and had to be taken to the ER by ambulance. The kids thought it was kind of cool seeing an ambulance come to the house. ;^) Anyway, they ended up giving me something for the pain and sent me home with more pain pills and antibiotics. So, if you will, please pray that the stone would pass SOON.

Will do, Kevin.

If, despite your current condition, you can tolerate a little humor, this was in yesterday's paper. When I saw your post, I had to go find the link:

[Joyful Wisdom]

I will present one of the key s

Vmatt: Isn't IS 22 talking about Shebna (the viceroy) being defrocked for over stateing his authority and usurping the power of the king? Therefore the key referenced is the authority of viceroy.

If you are making an arguement that like Shebna, the Pope has usurpted power unto himself that is a valied arguement but...

The revelation quote is contradictory to this arguemnt because the holder of the key will be left standing at the end because they are righteous.

now I know I am just looking at the actual words in the quotes you mentioned so I am sure I am missing the true deeper hidden meaning so please explain

[saradippity]

OLD REGGIE,truer words were never spoken(well at least hardly ever,since I haven't heard everything I can't speak for everything).

I saw "We Were Soldiers" over the weekend. It brought back all the pain. It also reminded me of why I have such a visceral reaction to our government so very often. Soothing Dave I know you did not mean what you said but,please don't ever even think it let alone say it.

I have said before and I believe that the "truth will set you free."With that in mind go see that movie.Since I was one of those wives,lived with those families for 6 years,knew the men who fought there and was immersed in the military life,I can attest to the veracity of that movie. It was in Viet Namm that my husband lost his life,my brother his faith and my best friend his mind. And listen carefully for the last lines--von Clausiwitz--chilling. That is why it is so imprtant to save Christianity,there is no other way.

[RobbyS]

Peter is the representative Christian. Impulsively he jumps into the water to go toward Jesus. Then he gets weak knees and begins to sink. But Jesus lifts him up.

[SoothingDave]

That, this time your chosen "strawman" was your out of context claim that Havoc claimed, or implied, "you" taught "Jesus is dead". This is pure baloney.

Then why would he say "Jesus didn't pick a successor because no one can succeed Him. He isn't dead." Does he just like to flap his gums?

BTW. Do you feel any responsibility to prove your claims such as "this has to be a lie" and similar "lie" comments?

Not particularly. You could show me where you got them from for a start. I don't have to accept every alleged quote out there.

Did you appreciate the graphic?

Most excellent.

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Anyway, they ended up giving me something for the pain and sent me home with more pain pills and antibiotics. So, if you will, please pray that the stone would pass SOON.

We can pray for you to pass the stone soon, but unfortunately, I don't think it'll do much good to ask that it doesn't hurt.

[RobbyS]

Pray for my son. He just left for Army basic training and for OCS. You will understand our mixed feeling.

[RobbyS]

Offer it up, and contemplate how good you WILL feel.

[OLD REGGIE]

Hi Dave. I think the purpose of Reggie's quotes was to make the point that Havoc's accusation that the Catholics do teach that the Pope is Christ's successor is valid. Other than Reggie's one unclear hint, no one other than you has been suggesting that Catholics don't believe in a Resurrected Christ.

I am confused. What do you mean by "unclear hint"? I was merely trying to make the point that SD was "spinning" what Havoc actually said.

My point is; SD had difficulty attacking what Havoc actually said so it was necessary for him to create a strawman to attack.

[Havoc]

Anytime this construct is used in Greek

Anytime this construct is used in *language*, Dave. Or did we fail language class altogether because we don't know how setences and the beginning and end of thoughts work? Sorry that such a huge concept should be dumped on you so late in life. The Greek texts Use Caps to denote the beginning of new thoughts. Again, don't let the facts get in the way of your spinning. Far be it from me to prevent you making yourself look dumb or something. If you want to charge up the hill and tip that cow, go right ahead. The rest of us that understand language will just muse and puzzle and hope you one day learn to read.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I have said before and I believe that the "truth will set you free."With that in mind go see that movie.Since I was one of those wives,lived with those families for 6 years,knew the men who fought there and was immersed in the military life,I can attest to the veracity of that movie. It was in Viet Namm that my husband lost his life,my brother his faith and my best friend his mind. And listen carefully for the last lines--von Clausiwitz--chilling. That is why it is so imprtant to save Christianity,there is no other way.

I'm sorry to hear of your husband. I was there in 1971, 196th Infantry based In Da Nang's 24th Corp. We ran missions by the DMZ from Phu Bai. Viet Nam was the best thing that ever happened to me since I was spared and a month before I left gave my life to the Lord. I really don't have a problem with what Dave said at all. I think we're all getting too sensitive again. Nothing like the army to make a person grow up. By the way, I saw the movie and really liked it.

[SoothingDave]

Pray for my son. He just left for Army basic training and for OCS. You will understand our mixed feeling.

That's OK. Some officers are nice. :-)

(Mixed feelings, ya see.)

SD

[SoothingDave]

I really don't have a problem with what Dave said at all. I think we're all getting too sensitive again. Nothing like the army to make a person grow up.

That's what I meant, but wishing for a "good war" is a little too strong perhaps. Unless I'm getting too sensitive, too.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Anytime this construct is used in Greek

Anytime this construct is used in *language*, Dave. Or did we fail language class altogether because we don't know how setences and the beginning and end of thoughts work? Sorry that such a huge concept should be dumped on you so late in life. The Greek texts Use Caps to denote the beginning of new thoughts.

I find that hard to believe. So all thoughts in Greek, or any language, can not contain related items, but they all have to be part of the same item? I find that hard to believe.

"Don't forget to check on the baby before going to bed and remember to brush your teeth."

This is one thought: "things to do before bed," but it doesn't mean that checking brusing my teeth is therfore part of checking up on the baby. What am I missing?

SD

[Wordsmith]

(Reggie) The strawman is Dave's, only Dave's. However, there are some Catholic sources, just as "official" as SpinningDave which teach otherwise.

Reggie - This is from your post above with the quotes from the Orthodox source concerning the Papacy. This is the "unclear hint" I was referring to. Did you mean to suggest that there are Catholic sources that teach that Christ is dead? If you did, then Dave is right in saying that the quotes you followed don't further that accusation. If you didn't, the no one is claiming that the Catholic's teach this, and Dave was rather defensive in making that the main point of his response. That's all I meant.

[SoothingDave]

If you didn't, the no one is claiming that the Catholic's teach this, and Dave was rather defensive in making that the main point of his response.

I don't know about "defensive." Reggie comes to Havoc's aid, and Havoc said "Jesus didn't pick a successor because no one can succeed Him. He isn't dead."

What meaning would you take from this?

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

I'm sorry to hear of your husband. I was there in 1971, 196th Infantry based In Da Nang's 24th Corp. We ran missions by the DMZ from Phu Bai. Viet Nam was the best thing that ever happened to me since I was spared and a month before I left gave my life to the Lord. I really don't have a problem with what Dave said at all. I think we're all getting too sensitive again. Nothing like the army to make a person grow up. By the way, I saw the movie and really liked it.

I want to make it clear. I believe all citizens should be required to spend at least one year in Universal Military Training. This "service" should be prior to college. I hate the idea of war and killing, but I love the idea of discipline afforded to those young snot "know it alls".

[OLD REGGIE]

Reggie - This is from your post above with the quotes from the Orthodox source concerning the Papacy. This is the "unclear hint" I was referring to. Did you mean to suggest that there are Catholic sources that teach that Christ is dead? If you did, then Dave is right in saying that the quotes you followed don't further that accusation. If you didn't, the no one is claiming that the Catholic's teach this, and Dave was rather defensive in making that the main point of his response. That's all I meant.

No. I posted those quotes to show SD that some Catholics teach differently than he does. The "Jesus is dead" argument is simply another SD strawman and has no relevance. SD, apparently hopes no one notices his little game.

[SoothingDave]

Havoc said "Jesus didn't pick a successor because no one can succeed Him. He isn't dead."

What meaning would you take from this? These are two totally divorced ideas?

SD