Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Having children would not cause Mary to lose her "spotless" state. Married sex is not a sin, nor is having babies.
SD
I'm flatttered. Just don't get all scatological on me now.
SD
i was laughing because after i lol at sara's post about a bad survey, it seemed you jumped in to take the sting out of a catholic saying just what i thought they would. i'm sorry i shoudn't have lol at either of you. please forgive. becky
Never happen :)Becky
Satan is a being created by God imperfect and lacking. He is the disciple of void/emptiness/nothing/evil, and strives against The Perfect, The Whole, The All. He is not anywhere near equal to God, but he is not pure evil either. Evil is anything laking, and away from God. Satan fights against that which IS, but he is not complete nothing himself. Satan was the first to turn away from God and thus he is evil, but not the creator of evil. Evil can't be created because it is not of God and God made all things. Evil is anything not of God, thus Evil is void. God "IS", evil is "not". But, Satan himself is not pure Evil, because he was created.
Constantly overrunning the point with a non issue and doubley so. Follow with me.
Mary was sinless.
Mary concieved and gave birth to Jesus
Anything Mary does after this has no effect on what happened before. (OOPS).
Mary had 4 boys and a number of Girls. Which has no backward effect on having had Jesus.
Your statements are nonesense. What you wish to argue *nonsensically* is that if you take a bowl of food, eat it (emptying it of food), then fill it with poison, you will now die because you injested poison. You need to call mr. Obvious badly; because those sorry men could use you for a real laugh.
If the baby is removed from the sinless body, the woman served her purpose. And at that point even if she were to have become a whore, her obligation was served and her actions could have no affect on the Lord's conception and birth. Mary did neither evil nor even wrong in having other kids. And have you ever considered how disrespectful it is to her knowing the Bible says she has other children while you stand and disown them.. oh, never thought of that, eh.
Jesus is a
Mary transported the
So far this is a good analogy.
Mary is the Chevy transport truck that carried the Fleetwood Cadillac to its destination,
Does she then become a Coupe De Ville?
Some people just don't know their carrier from a Fleetwood sitting over a hole in the ground.((((chuckle))))
Rcc doctrine goes well beyond that. Their Doctrine paints God both as a liar and a transgressor of his own rules.
God cannot simply wipe away one's ability to choose. He cannot do it precisely because there is another involved - SATAN. Man in eden chose satan as their default ruler through rebellion. And God has put us all on a by choice service basis since the beginning. God basically said 'fine, you want the right to make choices, I'm going to honor them - even if it kills you.' Then man suffered the first boot print on the Butt - ever.. followed by, 'Get out of my Garden.'
If God could simply nullify Mary's ability to sin, there would be no need for Jesus - ever. But the RCC doesn't understand this basic spiritual truth. They don't seem to understand any save for the blatently obvious - and then only because it doesn't serve their purposes not to. I'm glad I'm not being infallibly taught faux truth by the RCC.
You have no idea what you are saying - do you?! Blasphemy. Pure and simple Blasphemy. God CHOSE Mary because she had kept herself free from sin and lived righteously. God didn't break his own laws and transgress Mary's rights or those of the Devil in order to bring Christ into the world. Get thee hence! Don't blaspheme God!
This kind of garbage is an absolute lie of the Devil. And I can't understand how in the world it simply rolls off your fingers or tongues without a thought as though it were nothing.
Vat II isn't saying that Mary was given a million to give away. They're saying that she co-owned the million - which is utter garbage; but, such is what we've come to expect from the Vatican.
Mary dispensed nothing save for a baby into this world. Christ is the channel through which all comes. Mary just helped in making his death possible by giving birth to his living human form.
Something amiss (giant conspiracy maybe?)? LOL. No. I've met Catholics, Lutherans, etc. that dont' believe in the devil. They're out there. It's a natural progression from the following of Doctrine that is flawed.
"Hey, I like that statement, can I use it?..."
You certainly may!
"To your question, every church I have been a part of has women as deaconesses and some teachers (to children and other women) but other leaders (pastors, elders and deacons) are men. Welcome and jump in anytime."
I don't know, but I'll bet very, very few churches in my area follow the Biblical model. I am glad to associate with one that does.
Peace,
JWinNC
An interesting answer. I've never thought of it in quite those terms. Something to ponder and pray about.
I wonder how that applies to current events. Most specifically: if terrorism is evil and pacifists seek to pacify or make "peace" with evil as opposed to fighting and resisting evil, then is pacifism evil?
JWinNC
2. Fasting is not part of my spiritual discipline. I claim the liberty of the Christ.
My discipline is to listen to approximately one hour of taped commentaries on the Word each day.
I have just finished Romans for the second time. I now go on to John.
3. There is no apparent pacifism in the gospel. That is de-construction by the Evil One. See Romans 13.
4. There is no call for poverty in the New Covenant. The L-rd allows me to have 90 % of what He would have me earn.
The L-rd of the Old Covenant is the same L-rd of the New.
Tehillim (Psalm) 81:15 Those who hate the LORD would cringe before him, and their punishment would last forever.
Tehillim (Psalm) 81:16 But you would be fed with the finest of wheat; with honey from the rock I would satisfy you."
XeniaSt
Therefore I hoped to address it in a cover letter,in advance, so the whole study wasn't filed in the wastebasket. Even if there are only 20 regulars on the thread,their input, if it confirmed my belief,would have allowed me to include the fact that I recognized there were some data that were in error. Incorrect information is a real barrier to understanding and consequent resolution. And as Dave said there is a huge problem in education and catechesis.I was trying to get information to defuse a possible reason to ignore the primary findings which is that Catholics are doing a poor job of teaching and preaching.
Christendom and the safe harbor it provides for so many is on the wane, Islam is on the rise, I think this is not the time to be regaled by each others perceived shortcomings.
Does she then become a Coupe De Ville?
Only Protestants who can't follow logic think this. I am trying to get you to affirm that Mary, though she was but a Chevy truck, carried (Greek -tokos) a Cadillac. We call her the "Carrier of the Cadillac"
We don't assert she is herself a Cadillac. Only the confused who won't listen to a Catholic for even a second think that.
Now then. Jesus is a Cadillac. Mary is a Chevy truck that carried a Cadillac. Now will you join me in saying Mary is a Cadillac carrier?
SD
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