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To: SoothingDave
If I give you a million dollars to give away for me, does that make you "rich"?

Vat II isn't saying that Mary was given a million to give away. They're saying that she co-owned the million - which is utter garbage; but, such is what we've come to expect from the Vatican.

2,032 posted on 10/22/2001 3:43:20 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
If I give you a million dollars to give away for me, does that make you "rich"?

Vat II isn't saying that Mary was given a million to give away. They're saying that she co-owned the million - which is utter garbage; but, such is what we've come to expect from the Vatican.

Wah wah wah.

Now from this common sharing of will and suffering between Christ and Mary, she `merited to become most worthily the Reparatrix [one who makes amends or atonement] for a lost world,' and therefore, Dispensatrix [one who dispenses] of all the gifts which Jesus gained for us by His death and His blood (Vatican II documents).

Whose gain? Read for comprehension much?

SD

2,042 posted on 10/22/2001 5:42:58 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Havoc; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
CO-REDEMPTRESS WITH CHRIST. Catholic doctrine about Mary goes far beyond her role in Jesus' birth. It is taught that she shared in His sufferings also, and thereby shared in His work of redemption. We will give this in the words of the Vatican II documents:

"As St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching `death through Eve, life through Mary'. This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death. She cooperated in the work of the Saviour in an altogether singular way to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result, she is our mother in the order of grace. Mary, sharing as she did even on Calvary, had a part even in the once for all acquisition of the great treasury. Now from this common sharing of will and suffering between Christ and Mary, she `merited to become most worthily the Reparatrix [one who makes amends or atonement] for a lost world,' and therefore, Dispensatrix [one who dispenses] of all the gifts which Jesus gained for us by His death and His blood (Vatican II documents).

Sounds pretty DIVINE to me.

Havoc

Vat II isn't saying that Mary was given a million to give away. They're saying that she co-owned the million - which is utter garbage; but, such is what we've come to expect from the Vatican

It is important to realize that the document referred to above was written in Latin, and not English. In the Latin language, the prefix Co means "to co-operate with". It does not mean "equal with" as it generally does in English. Thus the term Co-Redemptrix is understood to mean that Mary co-operated with the Redeemer.

Also, again in Latin, the use of the feminine ending "trix" indicates a status of subordination. So the Latin actually contains a "double-barrelled" meaning that indicates not only one who has co-operated with, but also one who is inferior to the one being co-operated with.

Note the bold area above. St. Ireaneaus accurately expresses the role of Mary in our salvation.

Also note the English title to the paragraph. It also uses the feminine ending of "ess" to denote an inferior status to Mary's role.

Sounds pretty DIVINE to me. No, it in no way indicates divinity, but rather her role in our salvation.

So, yes, Vatican II is saying that Mary was given a million bucks to give away.

2,047 posted on 10/22/2001 5:57:44 PM PDT by pipeorganman
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