Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Nah. That is begging the question big time. The history of the early AD exists.. it just, for some reason, is completely silent about Catholicism for some reason. You see, the world doesn't revolve around Catholicism anymore than the sun revolves around the earth..
I also understand that the law the Pharisees accused Christ of breaking, "washing hands, picking corn and etc." was from the Talmud, which at the time could not be used to enforce the law, but inforcement could come only from the Torah..
Please explain this to me if I am wrong, thank you, and I hope I didn't wake you up. Lol :-)
Jn. 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.
We are blood-washed sinners. John 17:19
Jn. 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who
will believe in me through their message,
Jn. 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and
I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
My understanding is that not for the apostles only, but for all who shall be converted under the preaching of the gospel.
Tehillim (Psalm) 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Saviour!
XeniaSt
Some of the only manuscripts from that period (like the Dead Sea scrolls) are even claimed to dispute some of accepted Scripture (I'll believe it when I see it and maybe not then).
By the way, has anyone ever tried typing with an 18month-old sitting in your lap competing for the keyboard???
Bada bing bada boom!
Tehillim Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God
is my rock, in whom I take refuge.
He is my shield and the horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation, my stronghold.
XeniaSt
Jn. 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.
May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Great, "through their message" now what could that mean?
Commonly by whom? It certainly isn't among those Christians I know. It is common with those who rely on their church and their works to get them to heaven, rather that the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
I don't know if it's that year and a halfer on your lap, but I sense a little more peace in you then the last time your were on the thread. Is it just me, or does it just take time to get into it again? hahahaha :-)
It's really the majority report. The only disagreement is on whether it is water Baptism or Spirit Baptism (i.e. accepting Christ as personal Lord and Savior, etc.), or some meshing of the two (since there is but "one baptism").
Accepting that "Baptism... now saves you" is easier scripturaly than accepting that you must be "born again". Many of us get around it by defining Baptism AS being born again. (or at least being so bound up in it that it is a distinction without a difference)
Another underhanded pitch...
No that common RC way is to develope a doctrine out of the needs of the RC heirarchy and authorities over a good period of time, then go back, when necessary, and "find" verses that they say support this forced doctrine. Good example of this: Matthew 16:18.
Nah - that would be Christianity of which Catholicism claims to be a part. The Body of Christ is spiritual - not carnal. Jesus built no Carnal church. He founded a spiritual body. Don't forget, Petra being fem is for a purpose. The Body is the Bride (fem). I know, another spiritual truth that ya'll just can't seem to grasp.
OK. But you won’t know if you’re saved or not until the judgement.
Actually, every true Christian is not only saved but can have confidence in boldly saying it. Anyone who says otherwise speaks the lies of the devil. Jesus said, "Ye shall be saved" not, 'well, maybe if I feel like it that day.' And if we keep the faith through obedience, then we shall be justified. I know I'm saved. Why don't you know that you are?!
OK. So what’s keeping you from joining his Church?
I joined the Body of Christ the day I was saved. I have Jesus in me and live as obediently before him as I can. The Catholic Church has had not one thing to do with my salvation. And it teaches things My Lord never taught. It teaches against the word of My Lord. And I have no use for Someone who does that. Therefore, I will stick to following God's will. If you hadn't figured it out, the Carnal kingdom Catholicism has been trying to build to itself for centuries will be destroyed completely. Or had you not read Revelation? You might want to gander at Chapter 21. There will be a new heaven and a new earth - the old will pass away. Jesus founded his spiritual body on the petra (fem) of faith in Him. The Body is the Bride (fem) of whom the Man is the head, (Jesus) and He rules his own!
Peace is something I'm always praying for... especially lately. I guess I should not be suprised if you see it manifested in a post. (maybe I'm picking a better saint to pray to :-)
Did I come across as some kind of angry Catholic last time around? - my memory is weak on the point - I guess I'm not a very effective witness if that's your memory of me.
Some of our brothers stumble over the one small rock and ignore all other occurrences of the ROCK.
Tehillim (Psalm) 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'
XeniaSt
Yawn
No that common RC way is to develope a doctrine out of the needs of the RC heirarchy and authorities over a good period of time, then go back, when necessary, and "find" verses that they say support this forced doctrine. Good example of this: Matthew 16:18.
It's a looong fly ball! Back...Back... Back... and FOUL.
Nice try... but that sounds more like Martin Luther. "I see a Church mired in Sin (true) that has authority in Spiritual matters (also true) I can only break away by claiming that Scripture alone is the authority... even though I candidly admit that the word 'alone' is nowhere in the text."
First of all, I'm perfectly calm.
Get around it? The real question should be: What did Jesus mean when he said "You must be born again"? What you or I think or want it to mean is really irrelevant. He said, flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. Now you can claim whatever you wish, but the NT makes it clear that there were conversions (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit), then baptism as a testimony of their faith. Further why would Paul say, "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel" (1 Cor. 1:17) if it were necessary for salvation or as you stated, actually caused the regeneration. That would be pretty outrageous behavior of an apostle, that is, tell them (preach)the truth that they needed of the good news of Christ, but left out that oh-so-necessary step that actually finished the job, now wouldn't it?
Maybe there is a reason for that. Like you don't understand what "sola Scriptura" really teaches. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
One of the most serious anti-Catholic errors, is their belief that Catholics worship Mary as a goddess. Wouldn't we be committing perjury every time we said the Creed? Check out the Catholic teaching for a change CCC 971.
my memory is weak on the point. Not that weak, you remembered the finger thingy.lol
Peace is something I'm always praying for... especially lately. I guess I should not be suprised if you see it manifested in a post. (maybe I'm picking a better saint to pray to :-)
A better Saint? I hope he's flattered when you tell him you've been praying to him, because he will probably find out about it for the first time when you see him, since the saints are still asleep.:-)
Did I come across as some kind of angry Catholic last time around? - my memory is weak on the point - I guess I'm not a very effective witness if that's your memory of me.
We all have threads we'd just as soon forget.Lol
We'll grade you this time, so you can see your progress.:-)
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