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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 162
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/11/2001 9:39:48 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: Pelayo
I never played around with the Bible. And, all of the altar boys at my parish, meny of whom are 4th graders, take their duty seriously.

Maybe you should write my parents. They obviously didn't raise me right. I've never called anybody this on these threads. But I humbly call you a moron.

61 posted on 10/11/2001 8:18:53 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: angelo
Who first came up with the whole "magic sternum" thing anyway?

I'm not quite sure. I think it was one of our catholic friends who came up with it first. I picked up on it and now its a "neverending" trademark.

62 posted on 10/11/2001 8:23:06 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Steven
Why am I a moron?
63 posted on 10/11/2001 8:44:09 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Pelayo
I'll let somebody else explain it to ya. Have a nice life.
64 posted on 10/11/2001 8:55:47 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Steven
I don't understand, I thought you didn't care about being an altar boy? You obviously didn't take it seriously at the time. Why are you mad at me? What did I do?
65 posted on 10/11/2001 9:04:09 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Steven
Right back at you: chapter and verse that establishes the Baptist notion of Baptism. Logically, they ought not baptize anyone until those persons were "born again." That would rule out the common practice of baptizing the children from Baptist families when they reach puberty.
66 posted on 10/11/2001 9:15:05 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SoothingDave
I agree with that. I was taught that we will have no need for such things because we will already be perfectly fulfilled being with God. But I am willing to be flexible here. So many people are expecting to see their pets there. And God is their Creator as well, why wouldn't they be at the throne?

If animals are in Heaven, it will be because their presence adds to our joy.


Two or three years ago if I had read this, I would have been sure that Christ had returned, and I had missed the boat.

Back then I saw animal worship on the way in, but since I had put it on the same plain as homosexuality or Idolatry, I thought it would go away, but it didn't, and now we have Christians defending it.

We seem to think that God gets so involved in our lives, he even develops our taste, habits, and likes and dislikes. I suppose that as I write, some animal loving monk somewhere is searching diligently for a paradox scripture that can be used to support this nonsense, and before long, it will be doctrine.

God made the animals that he saw could be domesticated, to die much earlier then we do, so we humans couldn’t get overly attached to them, but we did it anyway.

I think it is a sign of a sick spoiled and selfish society that will even entertain such a thing, to think that just because we develop an attachment to an animal, that God is suddenly changing his rules to fit us. Soon they will be giving last rites, baptizing and feeding them Eucharist dog chow.

If we allow dogs and cats to obtain this status of having a soul, then anyone who has any kind of a pet can do the same, and soon the church will look like a pet store. Remember that with out the Spirit of God, all perish and have no quickening. Mankind is the only one that God has chosen to work with, and animals were put here for our enjoyment and nothing more.

Prov 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Dogs are mentioned many times, but always in a derogatory way, they were an unclean animal to the Jew, as was the cat, of which is not mentioned once in the Bible

Satan has turned everything up side down in this world, even the snake has been given a status as a great pet for some, it would seem that anything that God put down, man has gone out of his way to give new status.

Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I doubt seriously if God is going to change his eternal plan just because we have a pet that has put up with us where no one else has been able to. :-}

67 posted on 10/11/2001 9:17:07 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
Where does scripture say that there are no animals in Heaven?
68 posted on 10/11/2001 9:20:02 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Whats wrong with the threads? Thread 162 ends on post #58, and I know I have put a couple of post in after that? What do you suggest?
69 posted on 10/11/2001 9:25:56 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
I'm assuming you're using the default of 20 replies. Go back to the page showing replies 41-60, and reload/refresh your browser.
70 posted on 10/11/2001 9:29:51 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Where does scripture say that there are no animals in Heaven?

It doesn't say there will be no animals in heaven, and if I remember right, some of the animals were fashioned after heavenly beings, so there will no doubt be many there, I was referring to peoples earthly pets.

71 posted on 10/11/2001 9:32:54 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
so there will no doubt be many there, I was referring to peoples earthly pets.

If you acknowledge that there will be animals in Heaven, then why not people's earthly pets? I know of nothing in scripture that prohibits this possibility.

72 posted on 10/11/2001 9:35:19 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
I'm assuming you're using the default of 20 replies. Go back to the page showing replies 41-60, and reload/refresh your browser.

Does this mean that the thread now divides after so many post, and we have to go to the top of the thread and choose which section we want to go to?

Is this something new, to allow for more post per thread?

73 posted on 10/11/2001 9:38:16 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: angelo
If you acknowledge that there will be animals in Heaven, then why not people's earthly pets? I know of nothing in scripture that prohibits this possibility.

I'm not sure how a Jew can figure out a way through your redemption plan to allow for pets, but in the Christian faith, we are required to have the Holy Spirit which will quicken at Gods command, and with out that spirit, we decay back into the earth and stay there until the judgement.

No Spirit, no eternal life.

74 posted on 10/11/2001 9:44:17 PM PDT by JHavard
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Yes. John Robinson has been working on the software. Its a bandwidth thing. He's trying to minimize the amount of data that must be pulled for each request to the server. There are still a few bugs in the new system, but he's still working on it. This new version is MUCH better looking than the version he was beta testing yesterday.

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75 posted on 10/11/2001 9:49:48 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: JHavard
Well, animals do not have free will. The don't sin. So they have no need for atonement. They're just animals. As far as "No Spirit, no eternal life", well, I'll leave that one up to God. It is an open question in my mind as to whether animals will be in Heaven. I lean towards "yes", because their presence would increase our joy. But scripture tells us nothing one way or the other. Certainly, if God wills it, they will be there.
76 posted on 10/11/2001 10:01:17 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: allend
Re Your #41 on this Thrd (#162)

Nevermind that I rejected you as a heretic long ago (#84 on Thrd 67), you seem to either be very dense or have not read many of the postings made on this subject - or choose to ignore them?.

My post #43 on Thrd #137 dealt conclusively with early church history. (Go read it!)

For those who don't have the inclination to search out this post, all Christians until about 250 A.D. were Baptists and baptised Believers as did John the Baptist - immersed as adults previously saved. The rupture in the church at that time that finally resulted in Catholicism caused these early Christians to be called Anabaptists as they were opposed to the unScriptural practice of infant baptism - Baptists were already in existence when Romanism came into being.

"Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years they would swarm in greater numbers than all the reformers." (Roman Catholic Cardinal Stanislaus Hosius, 1504-1579, official representative of the pope and presiding officer of the Council of Trent.)

Incidentally, your own Proud 2B admitted the RC Church covered up these persecutions in his post #182 on Thrd #129.

So, like your RC buddy pegleg, you just cannot handle TRUTH! Baptist churches that had existed from apostolic times developed a denominational unity in Switzerland in 1523 in response to the chaos of the Reformation - Baptists are not Reformers!

There are many other sources that verify these facts of history - they are just not in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

77 posted on 10/11/2001 10:40:24 PM PDT by First Conservative
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To: SoothingDave
You wrote: The Pope solemnly defines beliefs that are already believed by the bishops and the faithful.

Who are "the faithful"?

78 posted on 10/11/2001 11:41:44 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: SoothingDave
Thread 161 #125 on Jesus' humanity and diety. AMEN!
79 posted on 10/11/2001 11:48:17 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: OLD REGGIE
You wrote: Here is another positive statement: There is no Scriptural evidence that Jesus appointed Peter to anything but an Apostleship, nor that any Apostle was superior to another. The early Church Fathers are in agreement with this statement.

True. No evidence in Scripture---amen on this statement. I've looked and looked for it, but it just isn't there. Thanks for the quotes from the Fathers.

80 posted on 10/11/2001 11:56:34 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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