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Caves pose unusual challenge for Army
Washington Times ^ | Thursday, October 11, 2001 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 10/11/2001 12:18:56 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:47:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

U.S. commandos set to begin search-and-destroy missions against terrorists in Afghanistan must be prepared for a new kind of combat

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To: Bill Rice
It doesn't take SF to clear a cave. Let the SF do their job, don't saddle 'em with the plebian tasks.

No offense to the guy that has to do it.

61 posted on 10/11/2001 9:43:49 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: bigjoesaddle
THis might sound silly, but can't they train dogs to go in the caves with cameras on their heads?

Hold on! Have you cleared this with PETA?

62 posted on 10/11/2001 10:19:17 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Travis McGee
I think it's going to be very methodical, and start with concentrating on people resupplying the caves or going to and from them. It will be a siege where time is on the side of the attacker.

US forces will go from one valley to the next, whenever they find a cave they will seal it, occupied or unoccupied.

Standoff weapons will be used, like the GBU-28, and FAE's. The larger caves will not be affected by these, but OTOH there is not an endless number of larger caves.

Any new cave-building will have telltale signs of earth disturbed and rocks being dumped and will be promptly dealt with.

There are satellites which can see day and night. Teams will be watching, especially at night, with far better night vision than the other side.

I predict a slow thorough process rather than a rush to show some results.

63 posted on 10/11/2001 10:22:22 AM PDT by AGAviator
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To: AGAviator
"I predict a slow thorough process rather than a rush to show some results."

We're being prepped for that, I agree.

64 posted on 10/11/2001 10:52:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
There's no need to come charging in. This is not trackless jungle, there are ways to spot most movements. While there are some civilians it's not densely populated either. It will be a gradually tightening noose, and most of the time the other side will never know what hit them, which will get rather demoralizing for any survivors.
65 posted on 10/11/2001 10:57:07 AM PDT by AGAviator
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To: mc5cents
PETA has authorized Richard Gere to clear caves armed only with a flashlight, his gerbil, and some PVC pipe.
66 posted on 10/11/2001 11:24:58 AM PDT by gueroloco
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To: Bill Rice
Why can't we just pour thousands of poisonous snakes, scorpions, spiders, etc. into the tunnel entrances and just let them do all the work?
67 posted on 10/11/2001 11:56:55 AM PDT by TigerDSL
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To: JohnHuang2
Reminds me of a comment circulating after Desert Storm. Apparently, some DAC at the Pentagon said, "we do deserts but we don't do mountains." Meaning that operations in rugged mountains are just too difficult to even think about.

Now that the pucker factor has gone up, it looks like it's time for "new think." In fact, I heard JCS Meyers use that term in a briefing yesterday.

BTW, like your source. Outstanding publication. I subscribe to the weekly edition.

68 posted on 10/11/2001 1:18:15 PM PDT by Boondocks of Bama
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To: Travis McGee
Waaaaaay too many ticket punchers in the chimney for this to ever happen bro........as you state, all of em has to have his slice of the pie for OPR fodder..........IMHO ,just pour the diesel down the vents and click the BIC on "all" of em as encountered.....

Stay Safe

69 posted on 10/11/2001 2:47:36 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: verity
Why not put cameras on wild boars,and let them loose in the tunnels? If you think a dog can be scarey,you ain't never seen a wild hog that's pissed! Add the psycholigical aspect to this that hogs add,and it's a winner.
70 posted on 10/11/2001 5:09:30 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: bigjoesaddle
THis might sound silly, but can't they train dogs to go in the caves with cameras on their heads?

Are you nuts? We can sacrifice men and women, but no dogs. Haven't you heard of PETA?

72 posted on 10/11/2001 6:56:06 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: 1rudeboy
I don't see why we have to get them out of the caves--just bury the entrances and let them rot.
73 posted on 10/11/2001 7:03:19 PM PDT by Moridin
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To: sneakypete
"Why not put cameras on wild boars,and let them loose in the tunnels? If you think a dog can be scarey,you ain't never seen a wild hog that's pissed! Add the psycholigical aspect to this that hogs add,and it's a winner. "

Add a twenty pound, remote triggered satchel charge, and you've got a winner.

The Dog/boar thing isn't far fetched- during WWII the Russkies trained dogs to run under tanks- then they would strap explosives to them and send them out after german armor.

I think we should saw Phuq the rules of war and use nerve gas. We aren't at war, we are performing vermin control.

74 posted on 10/12/2001 6:52:17 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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