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1 posted on 10/09/2001 7:02:25 AM PDT by Jean S
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That's ridiculous! Public schools here still say the pledge every morning, every grade, 1-12. Fight it! Where can we write/call/fax?
2 posted on 10/09/2001 7:05:35 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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FReep Em Good and right back in their faces when they start this idiotness. Thats how we win. By the weekend they will say sorry. LOL
3 posted on 10/09/2001 7:06:16 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: WIMom
Did you hear about this?
4 posted on 10/09/2001 7:06:20 AM PDT by Jean S
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If you're looking for a community that's truly nuts, go to Madison.
5 posted on 10/09/2001 7:07:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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Morons like these are elected to run our public schools. Is it any wonder we're sinking into a cultural cesspool?

I'm a member of our local school board and if we were to introduce a motion like that we'd be run out of town!

6 posted on 10/09/2001 7:07:28 AM PDT by Russ
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The Madison School Board should be barred from receiving or handling American currency. It most certainly is tainted from handling money that says "In God We Trust" and they should stop it right now. Cut all funding to the district immediately and put them on a barter system.
9 posted on 10/09/2001 7:08:02 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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wisgov@gov.state.wi.us

This is the e-mail for our Wisconsin Governor (R) Scott McCallum. I'm sure he is horrified by this. Send him a note he controlls the $$

wisgov@gov.state.wi.us

12 posted on 10/09/2001 7:11:43 AM PDT by UB355
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"Can't use Pledge of Allegiance to comply with law (Pledge Banned in Madison, WI Schools)"

round up the "usual suspects"...

14 posted on 10/09/2001 7:15:02 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: JeanS
The socialists have taken over Wisconsin? When did this happen?
16 posted on 10/09/2001 7:17:31 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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No excusing but you got to remember that Madison was [is?] one of the most liberal university towns in the entire US. They had a very active SDS chapter in the Vietnam years and violent confrontations were the norm. I guess that the town and faculty probably hasn't moved far from their roots and philosophy.

I would guess that they would be outraged at an attack on the Dali Lama or if the plane had hit the HQ of Mother Jones or MS magazines. Otherwise, it is an unfortunate results of the US worldwide Imperialism and as such should not affect the ongoing multicultural offensive to make sure that no person anywhere should ever be offended by anything [except any member of the male white ruling class and their lackeys like Justice Thomas].

17 posted on 10/09/2001 7:18:18 AM PDT by SES1066
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When is this going to stop?..Someone somewhere must have a real executible plan to stop these constant negative phony attacks on everthing this great country stands for......
19 posted on 10/09/2001 7:18:37 AM PDT by captnorb
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This is a demonstration of why Madison, Wisconsin, is called the "Peoples Republic of Madison."

Can't sing the National Anthem? Can't say the Pledge of Allegiance? Time for some members of the School Board there to be retired from public life.

Haven't read this whole thread yet. But I'll wager a dollar to a doughnut that some FReepers have already posted the appropriate phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

The (More er Less) Honorable Billybob,
cyberCongressman from Western Carolina

Click here for Billybob's latest, "Bush is DEAD Wrong." The next, "The ONE Commandment," will be posted after al Qua'da and Taliban are gone, or in about 48 hours.

Click here and go to "ALCU Watch" for "The Law of War," a detailed legal discussion of how the US declares war, both historically and in this instance.

22 posted on 10/09/2001 7:20:41 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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I went to Junior High and High School in Madision, WI, back in the 1960's when Madison was still part of the United States of America. Sometime since then, Madison has left the USA and has become part of the dying Communist State of Confusion. Presently that state consists of Cuba, North Korea, Communist China, Venezuela, Berkely, Provincetown, MA and Madison.

Pathetic!

26 posted on 10/09/2001 7:21:33 AM PDT by Redleg Duke
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So much for the idea of local control of the local school system. I wonder how many freepers would welcome a deluge of letters from all over the country complaining about something that they had decided to do locally?

If Madson and Berkely residents complained about our local high school having rifle teams, Bible (as literature) classes, prayer groups, or patriotic themes I'm sure that I'd be of the mind to tell the outsiders to stuff it. Local control; what people want for themselves but don't want others to exercise.

28 posted on 10/09/2001 7:29:28 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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The People's Republic Of Madison rears its UGLY head once again. This is SO embarrassing for the state of Wisconsin.

This is certainly not representative of our entire state. Schools around here (Green Bay) are saying the pledge, flying the flag, etc. Several have "God Bless America" and other patriotic messages on their outdoor signs.

Arggh...this makes me so angry!!!

30 posted on 10/09/2001 7:30:51 AM PDT by MozartLover
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Our schools here in Texas say the Pledge every morning, too.

This is what gets me about the PC crowd -

They say; "We live in a democracy, so majority rules."
Then, it's; "We can't do __________ because we might offend a minority."

NEWSFLASH - You can't have it both ways, you morons!

(And no flaming...I know it's a Constitutional Republic :)

31 posted on 10/09/2001 7:30:53 AM PDT by MamaTexan
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This is nuts. Even the US Supreme Court, in its school prayer decisions nearly 40 years ago said the Pledge and the Anthem were permissible.
32 posted on 10/09/2001 7:31:24 AM PDT by DonQ
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And BTW, there's THIS.

--Boris

36 posted on 10/09/2001 7:38:41 AM PDT by boris
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About the time of the Presidential election, I remember seeing a PC/tolerant piece on either C-Span or the Discovery channel about schoolchildren's objections to the Pledge of Allegiance. Many "dissenters" explained that their "religion" forbade them to express loyalty to anyone but their specific god. They did not mention Allah, or Islam, but they did not need to.

Just one more example of the worldwide reach of Islam, the religion of "submission."

41 posted on 10/09/2001 7:42:43 AM PDT by browardchad
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The Pledge of Allegiance - A Short History

The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History

by Dr. John W. Baer

Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.

Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'

A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty and justice for all.'


Please allow me to present an insightful commentary made years ago by Red Skelton.

Red Skelton's Commentary on 'The Pledge of Allegiance'
From the Red Skelton Hour, January 14, 1969

To listen to this actual recording with 'Real Audio' press here:

".....Getting back to school, I remember a teacher that I had. Now I only went, I went through the seventh grade. I left home when I was 10 years old because I was hungry."

[laughter]

"And ... this is true. I worked in the summer and went to school in the winter. But, I had this one teacher, he was the principal of the Harrison school, in Vincennes, Indiana. To me, this was the greatest teacher, a real sage of ...of my time, anyhow."

"He had such wisdom. We were all reciting the Pledge of Allegiance one day, and he walked over. This little old teacher ... Mr. Lasswell was his name."

"He said: 'I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?'"…….

I
- - Me; an individual; a committee of one.

Pledge
- - Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance
- - My love and my devotion.

To the Flag
- - Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of courage; and wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

Of The United
- - That means that we have all come together.

States
- - Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided by imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common cause, and that is love of country, of America

. And to the Republic
- - Republic--a sovereign state in which power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation
- - One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible
- - Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty
- - Which is Freedom; the right of power for one to live his own life, without fears, threats, or any sort of retaliation.

And Justice
- - The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.

For All
- - For All--that means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance: Under God. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer, and that be eliminated from schools, too?

Red Skelton ( July 18, 1913 - Sept 17, 1997)
Thanks Red, … "Good Night ... and ... God Bless"

42 posted on 10/09/2001 7:42:58 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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