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I'm thinking of signing up for a monthly contribution to the NRA Civil Rights Fund to help protect 2nd Ammendment rights in the US. I think it will really IRK them to have to send them my donation each month. What do you think????

Also, does FreeRepublic have any sort of a 501(c) status?

1 posted on 10/08/2001 11:52:29 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe
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To: Bush_Democrat
What makes you think it'll really get there?
2 posted on 10/08/2001 12:00:02 PM PDT by attagirl
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To: Bush_Democrat
There are working out the details of that in the next couple of weeks.
3 posted on 10/08/2001 12:00:17 PM PDT by Little Bill
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You've bought into a basic UW argument that is FALSE! This is not the United Way Campaign! This is your company's employee giving campaign. In the old days, the UW did something that you could not do for yourself. It took a payroll deduction and split it up for your employer. This was at a time when payroll deductions were costly. Today, however, you payroll computing capabilities are much more advanced. It almost makes no difference for you to have 1000 designated beneficiaries for payroll deductions.

Run your own employee giving campaign with the UW as one of the designated beneficiaries on your pre-printed form, along with the Salvation Army, the Red Cross and any other local 501(c)(3) of importance, plus a blank space for write-ins. The local Boy Scouts council is probably a good one. TAKE BACK YOUR EMPLOYEE GIVING PROGRAM FROM THE POLITICALLY CORRECT UW; give it back to your employees.

5 posted on 10/08/2001 12:02:58 PM PDT by Tacis
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Give it to the Boy Scouts.
6 posted on 10/08/2001 12:03:47 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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They'll never see .01 of my money.
9 posted on 10/08/2001 12:09:05 PM PDT by boycott
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Give it to the Right to Life foundation. That'll put their panties in a bind.
10 posted on 10/08/2001 12:09:06 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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You can designate ANY 501(c) organization to receive your entire gift through the United Way/CHAD payroll deduction.

If you designate a 501(c) organization, your employer normally sends your entire donation directly to the 501(c) charity.

If no designation is made the United Fund keeps on average 20% of your donation (salaries, advertising, etc.) for themselves and passes on the remainder to various charities of their choosing.

11 posted on 10/08/2001 12:11:24 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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To: Bush_Democrat
After the way United Way betrayed the Boy Scouts, I will never support them again.
13 posted on 10/08/2001 12:14:08 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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(1) you can donate directly to the victims of Sept. 11 if you like, no need to go through the United Way other than that your employer forces you to.

(2) You can donate to any 501(c) organization you want too without the United Way taking 14% off the top. You should also be aware that if the ornagization is one that they have budgeted $100,000 for, and you give a $1000 earmarked for that organization, it still gets $100,000, and the United Way has $1000 more from its un earmarked funds to give to other organizations. Your target organization may not be helped. Just write a check to them.

patent

16 posted on 10/08/2001 12:16:27 PM PDT by patent
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United Way will NEVER get one red cent from me.
20 posted on 10/08/2001 12:21:53 PM PDT by error99
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When I began my first real job, I was asked asd a matter of routine to agree to give a certain amount to the UW as "everybody did it". Being nieve, I agreed, and they took this money out of my check each week without fanfare. About two years later, they held a meeting, and basically called us "Cheap" and "Selfish" if we didn't QUADRUPLE our amount. I had been thinking about doubling it untill I heard that.

I put "0" in the amount. My boss threatened my job, but I held my ground. To this date, I haven't been motivated to give them @#$$ one thin dime.

21 posted on 10/08/2001 12:22:03 PM PDT by camle
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United Way Shake-Down Response

Your title says it all. I don't give to shakedown organizations and that is what they do. I never know if I'm going to get fired. I know it's against the law to fire someone for not giving, but it would be hard to prove.

25 posted on 10/08/2001 12:26:50 PM PDT by FR_addict
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Skip the biased left-wing United Way! Give directly to a charity that you feel strongly about. Just write them a check. They will send you a letter of appreciation and a bunch of mailing labels and even sometimes a calendar. Plus you feel better about giving!
40 posted on 10/08/2001 12:58:14 PM PDT by kapn kuek
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I utilize "direct deposit" w/r/t my United Way contribution at work -- when it arrives, the annual pledge form is deposited directly from my inbox into the trash can ...

Everyone should be free to designate to whom their charitable money goes, shakedowns be damned; I for one choose not to donate 1/6th of a pledge towards some campaign "victory" party.

41 posted on 10/08/2001 12:58:17 PM PDT by mikrofon
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Ah, isn't charity wonderful? If you're on the receiving end, of course.

The United Way has been involved in massive corporate shakedowns for many years. I work at a company where promotions were once partially based on a manager's UW contributions total. It led to some confrontations, and after a while the policy was changed.

To my mind, many of the observations made here are both correct and irrelevant. Here's my take on it, and on charity in general:

  1. To give to those in need through no fault of their own is a fine and praiseworthy thing. However, your odds of actually doing that are far better if you pick your own beneficiaries and keep a close eye on what they do with the charity they receive.
  2. Much charity does harm rather than good. Often, we can't know beforehand whether we're doing the right thing in trying to help someone. To minimize the harm, it is imperative that one not give automatically, or uncritically, or through intermediary organizations that measure their success by their contribution rates.
  3. It's still true that the most constructive form of charity is to help a man to help himself. When you give a man money, you're not working toward that end -- especially if he's no good at handling money. Granted that other forms of assistance may take more time, energy, and creativity than a mere cash present, your conscience will be cleaner.
  4. Anyone who presumes to measure your worth according to the size, character, or extent of your charitable contributions is a snoopy, low-minded churl that deserves to have his entire life lived in public, without even one bare shred of privacy.

As in many other endeavors, the importance of a clear objective and a feedback system that will let you know whether you're moving toward it or away from it cannot be overstated.

"The poor will always be with us." -- Abraham Lincoln

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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44 posted on 10/08/2001 1:01:41 PM PDT by fporretto
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We never give through United Way. I want to decide where my donations will go. My priorities are not the same as theirs.
45 posted on 10/08/2001 1:02:02 PM PDT by knuthom
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I've always had problems with concepts like UW. All charities have bureaucracies (many seem to be made for the sole purpose of funding bureaucracies and employing friends and relatives. Jesse!)

The UW is another bureaucracy whose purpose is to give to another charity? Why not give it to the charity directly? Any recent moves by UW to imply that the money they take will be forwarded in toto to a designated charity is an ADMISSION that such is not the typical practice of UW. UW talk about "no overhead" is a direct ADMISSION of the redundancy of UW. I suspect UW says such things now because people in general are becoming more aware of direct distributions and "overhead" i.e., bureaucracy expenses/taxation. (I am at least)

Additionally, looking at the UW types, I feel many are corporate board rejects, and UW is kind of a nepotisitic depository for types who don't fit in, can't cut it, or can't get with the program. Welfare for incompetents, their salaries paid by a sort of second taxation on charitable giving.

51 posted on 10/08/2001 1:07:12 PM PDT by Shermy
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2. You can designate ANY 501(c) organization to receive your entire gift through the United Way/CHAD payroll deduction.

The trouble you run into is a property of money called fungibility. This means that, once you put a dollar into a pool of money you can't ever be sure what happens to that dollar.

Suppose the UW had decided to give 10% of their money to Planned Parenthood this year. You decide to give $10/month to some 2nd Ammendment supporting organization. They still give $1 of your $10 to Planned Parenthood. That's because they still give 10% to PP and your $10 goes into that calculation.

Just give your money where you like. Tell the UW to take a hike. Tell them to take a hike with the Boy Scouts.

The'll just love that.

Shalom.

55 posted on 10/08/2001 1:13:45 PM PDT by ArGee
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I don't give to the United Way primarily because they aid and abet funds going to abortion agencies. Even though one can "designate" or "target" which agency would receive your donation, the administrative cut that goes to United Way would in essence help support the overhead that manages the funds that go to abortionists.

In addition, when my employer does the United Way drive, they use the participation % numbers to toot their own horn.

Jesus said in Matthew 6: 3 - 5:
"But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

Instead, I give to the church I attend and to foreign Christian missions.

60 posted on 10/08/2001 1:21:15 PM PDT by Bosco
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Assuming the charity you target your gift to is one that United Way supports, targeting your contribution does not mean that organization will receive additional funds. The United Way has a budget. Each organization receives a set percentage of the total, or a set total amount. For example:

Say your local Girl Scout Council is budgeted to receive $200,000. You decide you want to give them (target) your entire contribution of $100/ month. Does the Girl Scout Council then receive $201,200 for the year? Nope. They still get $200,000 of which $1,200 specifically comes from you. In this case it typically costs the Girl Scout Council the price of a thank you card and stamp to personally thank you for the contribution. They end up getting less. The only way the Girl Scout Council will receive more than $200,000 is for a lot of people to do what you did.

Another thing the United Way does that irritates me is they redirect funds. I live in Beavercreek, Ohio an outlying community of Dayton. The United Way here is run out of Dayton (Montgomery County). They collect about $2,000,000 from Greene County (including Beavercreek) out of which only $700,000 makes it's way back to Greene County charitable organizations. The United Way rep told me that I benefit from the organizations in Dayton that receive the lions share of area contributions. I told him the last time I took my child to Children's Medical Center they charged me 3 times the going rate because I had insurance, and there's no way I want any of my funds supporting Planned Parenthood. He said I could make a targeted contribution (refer to 1st example). I told him I knew how the system worked, and he agreed with me. Needless to say, I contribute directly to the organizations I want to support.

61 posted on 10/08/2001 1:21:46 PM PDT by OrioleFan
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