Posted on 10/04/2001 12:48:43 PM PDT by Turan
But you won't because your loyalty is to them, and them alone, morals be damned.
You would be best to admit and post them.
Short of that, others will --- and they will want to know why you did not.
Also, please explain why you would consider a man who married a six-year old as a prophet, rather than a pedophile?
But in the west, most information in the public eye is that all followers of Islam are Muslims.
Let's look up a word called Jizya and expose an outright lie, for what it is.
The Jizya or poll tax is a personal tax levied on non-Moslems in a Moslem State, and as such it resembles the Zakat (Alms Tax) which is levied on Moslem citizens by the Moslem State. The poll tax is levied so that all the capable non-Moslem citizens of the State can contribute, each from his own money, to the general welfare of the State, and that in return for this, they can enjoy their rights as nationals of this State, including compensation from the Moslem Exchecquer when they are in need.
Valour and mercy are not forgotten here, as the poll tax is not collected from the weak and poor. In his message to the people of Hira, Khaled Ibn Al-Walid says, "When a person is too old to work or suffers a handicap, or when he falls into poverty, he is free from the dues of the pull tax; his sustenance is provided by the Moslem Exchequer." In his book "Al-Kharaj," Abu Yusuf says, "No Jizya is due on females or young infants."
When the dues of the poll tax are paid by these people, they have to be supported, protected, granted a freedom of faith, and treated on a footing of justice and equality with Moslems. They are called "Zimmis" (the Arabic origin, "Zimma," meaning security, protection and custody) because the said rights are guaranteed by God and His Apostle, and such was the custom the Moslem leaders followed in dealing with the Zimmins. In his book "Futooh Al-Buldan" (Conquests of Countries), Al-Balathiri comments on this saying, "Khaled Ibn Al-Walid, on entering Damascus as a conqueror, offered a guarantee of security to its people and their properties and churches, and promised that the wall of the city would not be pulled down, and none of their houses be demolished. It was a guarantee of God, he said, and of the Caliph and all believers to keep them safe and secure on condition they paid the dues of the Jizya."
The poll tax is a small sum of money indeed when compared to the services the Moslem State offers to protect the Zimmis and support the army in charge to keep them safe from others' assaults. In his book "Al-Kharaj," Abu Yusuf gives the following reports: "After getting on peaceful terms with the people of Syria and collecting the dues of the Jizya and the Kharaj, news reached Abu 'Ubeida that the Byzantines had amassed their troops to attack him. The effect of this was great on Abu 'Ubeida and the Moslesm. He sent messages to the rulers of cities with whose citizens he had made peace, asking them to return to their subjects the paid dues of the Jizya and Kharaj, with an instruction to tell these: 'We hereby return to you the money you have paid us, because of the news of the enemy troops amassed to attack us, but, if God grants us victory against the enemy, we will keep up to the promise and covenant between us.' When this was delivered to the Zimmis and their money returned to them, they told the Moslems: May God bring you back to us and grant you victory over them!"
In his book, "The Spirit of Laws," on dealing with the taxes levied by the government, Montesqieu says, "Such levied taxes were one reason for the strange facility which the Moslems faced during conquests. People, then, preferred -- instead of being subjected to an endless series of fines which entered the rich imagination of greedy rulers -- to submit to the payment of a minimal tax which can be fulfilled and paid with ease."
So, as long as you pay the extortion price (arbitrarily set by the Clerics), you can live. Refuse to pay, and you will be killed. So much for the lie of non-coersion to switch religions.
You apparently missed all that stuff about Invictus. He was very humanistic and said that if it turned out there was an afterlife, he'd "adapt". Then at the last minute he called for a priest and took the Last Rites. So, what his religious beliefs were is ambiguous.
Thank you for letting us know of our faults after only two days in the forum. Last has been a member since October 2nd, 2001
Jews prospered once at the Mecca until Muhamad destroyed them. I will believe the Middle East is peaceful and Islam is peaceful when they will allow us to build churches and commemorative Synagogues about the massacred Jews at the Mecca, just as we let them build mosque at the Vatican and in Jerusalem.
Until there is a movement of peace like this starting, developing and rationalized by the muslims, then I will agree.
For example Jews too have horrible laws, such as the stoning of a boy who is immoral by eating too much and who is arrogant toward his parents. However Rabbinical interpretations have declared that the parents are responsible and hence the boy would be punishable if he were an adult, however he is not, hence stoning him would not be legal. Secondly, if he were a man still living with his parents and abusing them, then that would be a different story. However the interpretations point that it is a parental problem, not to be confused with the problem the father or the mother may have. Both parents have to speak technicaly with the same crying voice, which is virtualy impossible.
G_d hence imposes that people think about His laws and apply them. Where are the muslim interpretative texts that would rule out the weird and violent precepts of the Qoran? They do not exist or they are not exposed, save for a bunch of liberals talking gibberish.
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