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I hope this wasn't posted before. I did a keyword search on both the title and the subtitle. Also, I realize that many people are upset right now with NRO's dismissal of Ann Coulter (as am I). Nonetheless, I am a fan of both Buckley and NRO and still feel that they have a relevant voice.
1 posted on 10/02/2001 1:07:50 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kalashnikov_68
I hope WFB Jr. doesn't get banned for this.
2 posted on 10/02/2001 1:15:34 PM PDT by The Thin Man
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Buckley is right on.
3 posted on 10/02/2001 1:18:35 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Kalashnikov_68
if the Koranic high exegetes are paralyzed with doubt whether such as the Ladenites are true to their faith — then the faith being practiced must be disavowed by the legitimists

Of course they are not disavowing anything. I've almost convinced myself that any devout Muslim is an extreme fundamentalist Muslim, and that the peaceful ones are like the self-professed Christians who only go to church on Easter Sunday and Christmas.

8 posted on 10/02/2001 1:26:16 PM PDT by be-baw
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Carefully selected, there are Koranic preachments that are consistent with civilized life. But on September 11th we were looked in the face by a deed done by Muslims who understood themselves to be acting out Muslim ideals.

This is exactly what I and many other FReepers have been feeling and expressing these past few weeks and our State Dept. and Media have done their best so far to convince all of us not to believe "our lying eyes".

Kudos to WFB for setting the record straight. Unfortunately for the lovely Miss Coulter....her words strictly about forced conversion were a case of emotional hyberbole and her defiance to her editors resulted in her dismissal. I fear not that she will find another more suitable place for expression.

10 posted on 10/02/2001 1:30:55 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Good post. I haven't seen it before and I agree that there is something inherently wrong with a "religion" that allows "believers" to believe that killing themselves and thousands of others will bring them great rewards in the afterlife.

Where are the Muslim religious scholars denouncing these acts? Who is in charge of the mosque at Mecca? Couldn't he issue a statement denouncing such teachings? All the rational leaders of Islam should produce a joint statement pointing out that anyone teaching such doctrine is wrong and such actions will put the perpetrators, the planners and the financers in the Islamic hell.

There is something wrong if the peaceful followers of Islam don't mind being grouped-in with these murderous fanatics.

ABC broadcast an interview that an American crew had with an Islamic fundamentalist/terrorist in a prison somewhere in the mid-east. The reporter was stunned at the answer to his question: "Would you strap a bomb around your waist and blow up a group of school children?" The response, "If the religious scholars told me to do this, I would." What kind of fools are these? How do you comprehend the incomprehensible?

11 posted on 10/02/2001 1:32:15 PM PDT by KarlH
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We can thank our Founding Fathers for choosing to be enlightened by Reason, rather than go down the path of a theocratic State, like so many Muslim countries have chosen to do.

In his, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788], John Adams wrote:

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."


16 posted on 10/02/2001 1:42:32 PM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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Either restore the proper Allah — or get ready for a holy war.

We are coming.

5.56mm

17 posted on 10/02/2001 1:43:23 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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Declare in full voice that Islam is widely profaned and mistaught.

I know that Bush and some of his people have said this, but is Buckley talking about ISLAMIC leaders saying this? I won't hold my breath, but maybe Dubya and Co. can convince some of them to speak out.

19 posted on 10/02/2001 1:47:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Kalashnikov_68
We keep calling Islamism a religion...it is a cult and Ann Coulter was essentially correct about "convert them to Christianity", except that she should have said "de-program them from their Cult of Islam teachings". She is correct also that RADICAL action is needed. Addditionally, the Islamic children have been taught from birth the "principles of Islam". What happens when we free them...who will de-program the children. Will my youngest children face a world where this fight has to be waged in a more horrific way than it would be today?

btw, I've been in a cult and feel somewhat qualified to know the signs: isolation, deprivation, contradictoy teachings, having others tell you what "God" says you should do, having leaders who set themselves up as virtual gods...Do these people see Osama bin Laden heading out to die a martyrs death while he tells them it is the greatest thing? Once under the spell of the great deceiver a person is blind to truth, reason, and even simple logic.

21 posted on 10/02/2001 1:48:39 PM PDT by thunderdome
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Excellent piece! Thanks for posting it.
22 posted on 10/02/2001 1:51:00 PM PDT by B Knotts
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It is thought to be a sign of toleration to defer to Islam as simply another religion. It isn't that. It is a form of condescension. Carefully selected, there are Koranic preachments that are consistent with civilized life. But on September 11th we were looked in the face by a deed done by Muslims who understood themselves to be acting out Muslim ideals. It is all very well for individual Muslim spokesmen to assert the misjudgment of the terrorist, but the Islamic world is substantially made up of countries that ignore, or countenance, or support terrorist activity. Mustafa Kamal Uddin, a 32-year-old body-and-fender man in Karachi, explained it to a New York Times reporter. You see, he said, holy wars come about only when Allah has no other way to maintain justice, times like now. "That is why Allah took out his sword" on September 11th. We demand to know: Who taught Mustafa Kamal Uddin to reason in that way, and the crowds in Karachi to support such thinking? Pending an answer to the question, and the unmistakable assumption by reputable Muslims of the responsibility to extirpate such misteaching, renounce modern Islam. Either restore the proper Allah — or get ready for a holy war.

In short, if bin Laden is teaching falsely then why don't mullahs get up as a BODY and say so. If they remain silen, then we will assume that silence implies that thay consent to Bin Lden's teachings.

24 posted on 10/02/2001 1:54:34 PM PDT by RobbyS
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"In a pinch, we have to gamble. Perhaps human nature isn't reliably self-interested enough to prefer liberal democracy to protracted tyrannical misery. But we have to hope that the raw instinct is there to welcome relief."

This sums it up. Let's Roll.

25 posted on 10/02/2001 1:57:59 PM PDT by bigdog
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This is the best article I've seen from NRO on the subject. Buckley is one of the few that has the guts to at least ask the question "Is Islam itself the problem?" Now all Buckley has to do is offer some suggestions as to what we should do if the answer is in the affirmative.
27 posted on 10/02/2001 1:59:32 PM PDT by independentmind
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ping!

You posted a link to this article on another thread. I read it and thought it might be a good article to post here.

28 posted on 10/02/2001 2:02:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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BUMP!
30 posted on 10/02/2001 2:08:11 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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What few Muslims who have actually spoken against the slaughter of thousands of innocents on 9/11 have used very mild denouncements.

Only non-Muslims have used words such as savage, mass-murder, barbarians and uncivilized. I guess the general view of the so-called moderate Muslim is that the terrorists "just got a little carried away!" in their faith.

How can we ask a Saudi Arabian government to denounce the savagery of the WTC attack when they cut off the hands of thieves?

We have to face the brutal truth. Islam teaches that only Muslims are on Allah's side. Anyone not a Muslim is not just morally inferior but the ENEMY OF GOD. God, in their view has no problem with his faithful, the Muslims, slaying the unfaithful (everyone else). From their perspective, killing a Muslim is wrong. Killing Jews and Christians, by contrast, is simply ridding the world of the unfaithful.

32 posted on 10/02/2001 2:10:25 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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BUMP!
33 posted on 10/02/2001 2:10:48 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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As I've posted before, I've been thumbing through the Koran (which means "RECITE"). It's a control-freak religion. The mistake is to assume your notion of God is the same as theirs. It is not. It is very different, very dark.
34 posted on 10/02/2001 2:15:28 PM PDT by lds23
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We have now Islam to deal with. We do not need to make the point that its political and economic record is miserable, that only one of 18 Muslim states (Turkey) is democratically governed. There are those who are willing to advertise the individual hypocrisies. A spokesman from the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam party, while calling on his faithful to overthrow the government of Pakistan for the sin of maintaining equable relations with the United States, sends his own two sons to the United States to school. The Taliban has taken unmarried women detected in pregnancy and buried them to neck level before execution. Where is Islamic condemnation of such practices? For that matter, where is condemnation of Saudis chopping pickpockets' hands off?

Exactly right! Where is Islamic condemnation of thousands upon thousands of Christians who have been first converted to Islam, and then sexually mutilated with kitchen knives and razor blades to make them conform to Muslim standards? Where is Islamic condemnation for the murder, terror, torture and subjugation of non-Muslims to convert to Islam? Where is Islamic condemnation of Muslims' violence and savage killing of their neighbors to advance their cause of global conversion?

38 posted on 10/02/2001 2:17:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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Will Islam renounce the Code of Omar?
40 posted on 10/02/2001 2:18:39 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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