Political Left Beginning to Finger clinton for Terrorists' Success

Charlie Rose, The Sunday Times (U.K.), Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, WSJ,KPFKLA,O'Reilly Factor | Andrew Sullivan et al.

[independentmind]

It's fine with me to examine Clinton's complicity in wrecking our national security. Let's not fool ourselves about the complicity of Republicans,though, particularly when they controlled both houses of Congress. The last time I checked, Congress still had oversight responsibilities.

[Mark]

So, Billy Klinton was NOT your favorite President?(/humor)

Good job, Mia

[OldFriend]

Mia, your posts are so welcome at this time. Thank you

[Coyote]

You really have THAT guys number don't you?

Looking backward, you were not alone, especially here at FR. We really believed that the damage done would turn out to be monumental. Remember ***** THIS ***** piece? It postulated all or nothing with Clinton. In retrospect, it really DID hit the nail on the head.

Now it looks like we're in for years of deep deadly water while we struggle to correct the influence of the Clintons, and the excesses of the spiteful crypto-Marxist left that not only did so much to support and appologize for WJC, but to undermine the very foundation that not only all of us stand on, but also saw off the the VERY tree limb the America-Hating liberal appologists hung their own hats. Looks like a few are waking up to the fact.

[parsifal]

Cool graphics! Love the Magritte!!!! How about doing up a Delvaux in one of these. Fish! parsy.

[Octar]

Nice. Thanks Mia.

[independentmind]

the president had sex and lied about it to keep it secret.

Let's not forget all of the details. He flat out lied to the American public and he,an officer of the court, lied under oath.

Whether Monicagate should have been handled differently is open to debate; but it certainly doesn't have an exonerating effect on President Clinton.

[DreamWeaver]

Bump

For truth !

[colorado tanker]

Nice post. It speaks volumes that the liberal establishment types even ask the question if it's Billy Jeff's fault. And Billy thought he would be remembered just for avoiding impeachment. He got his wish - a legacy!

[Coyote]

Some excerpts from a piece written just after Clinton was acquited by the Senate, and first published here at FR....

....But what's worse is that only a remnant recognizes that when we wake up from this long drunk on the collectivist gin of social democracy, we're going to find ourselves in bed with a very bad hangover. We're going to find ourselves with one monumental headache, and hopelessly married to one of the most blood-thirsty, ruthless demons ever to rise from Satan's pit....

[snip]

So I just can't help myself on this one. And my comments go directly to every jerk from Hollywood to Manhattan, from London to Brussels, who insists on shoving the Fascist demon of totalitarian collectivism onto our sons and daughters. To every puffed up power broker who has insisted that he is superior to everyone else, and thereby fit to royally rule his own puppet state. To those that insist that the only good monopoly is a state monopoly, especially if it is controlled by them.

[snip]

And of course everybody, but everybody who's stood up against this executive has been subject to the stealth political weapon of the age: the lawsuit. From Matt Drudge at Drudgereport.com to Jim Robinson at FreeRepublic.com.

[snip]

Meanwhile, Slick's gone skating. And we're all going with him, whether we like it or not. We're all going skating on some of the most dangerously thin political ice since the Civil War. And to all you on the left, from Hollywood to Manhattan, now that you've formally unleashed the hounds of the totalitarian collective, I hope you're satisfied with the current darkness. To you who have insisted on freely fornicating with this syphilitic harlot, this queen of the lie, you who are absolutely convinced that your hypocrisy will protect you, that no accident will ever happen to you.

Well, what can we say? Except...sleep well!

That was from ***** ANOTHER ***** one written by someone apparently cursed with a clear nightmare vision of at least the end result on the Clinton years. He only got part of it right though. Because what we ended up with was not just a serial dictatorship of the totalitarian impulse, but serial terror as well. Still, the midnight vision this guy had was so vivid, and in retrospect, so prophetic, few could remain sane. And as I understand it, the author went completely mad shortly after this piece and hasn't been heard from since. Let's just hope that the rest of his vision never transpires.

[Askel5]

I loved the piece (then and now).

But it bothers me that the left ALSO appears willing to conceded Clinton's solely responsible. I don't think so. It was Republicans who failed to remove him and Republicans who actually were responsible for some of his greatest successes: PNTR for China, passage of the Anti-Terrorism and Transportation omnibus packages and the Schumer Amendment, funding for the NIH's ESCR and Title X abortion monies, to name a few.

(Don't even get me started on the way Bush and Dole sent a message during impeachment advising against actual removal of the Mad Bomber of Sudan or Danforth wiped his bloody Waco blade clean under cover of "election crisis" on November 8th).

Particularly where "Security" and terror are concerned, The Message They're Sending is Essentially the Same Thing.

[Coyote]

It was Republicans who failed to remove him....

You're right. But the Republicans haven't been such since at least the early 1950's, and more realistically, since the early 1920's. The poison has crossed party lines, as you well know. Still, the Republican side has probably a slight percentage on the Democrats in favor of Constitutional liberty. It's residual, and only slight.

And as far as his removal, remember that the Clinton's were absolute masters of the craft of blackmail. They hired Lensner's PR firm to steal 1000 FBI files, which they had for a year and "never looked at". At least they promised they never peeked. I'm sure that there were Republican files in that 1000 that belonged to certain members that voted for his acquital. It's impossible to say how much the black mail influenced the vote, Vs the dilution of the Republican ideals over the years. Probably both.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

The President had sex and lied about it to keep it secret

HOW can you keep chanting the same old mantra? If that's all he's done maybe he'd get cut a break, but that's only the beginning! He is a Liar (underoath) he intimidated witnesses, he has a long list of suicidal friends (who are not longer with us), he accepted money from China for our secrets, he played footsie with Arafat, taking money from the local Muslim hoodlums, raped, plundered and prevaricated his way through an 8 yr. term in office, rented out the Lincoln Bedroom like it was Hotel 6, Raised soft money from the Oval office, stole WH treasures, snorted coke (couldn't figure out how to inhale a roach), corrupted everybody he came in contact with. You are a real idiot."None so blind as those who do not want to see".

Now I see that Atty Goebels,ops, I mean Mr. Kendall is going to defend him in front of SCOTUS. I can't wait. Maybe this time we'll get everybody in Court to tell their facts, Monica, Linda, Wiley, Broderick, et.,al., and maybe some of the evidence emassed against him for the Senate will find it's way to SCOTUS. Like Italy's dictator, upside down from a balcony, side by side would work for me.

[colorado tanker]

Interesting piece. For the umpteenth time, we see again it wasn't "just about sex." It's not possible to "compartmentalize" and be a President who lies under oath and abuses power only when it comes to sex, but be morally courageous as to other issues. In fact the opposite is true - a willingness to do the wrong things about small issues betrays a willingness to do the wrong thing when more is at stake. And I agree Republicans, particlarly Senate Republicans, are not blameless here. Who can blame the terrorists for thinking we wouldn't hold them accountable if we wouldn't even hold our own President accountable, particularly when America did little after Mogadishu, El Khobar, WTCI, the Embassy bombings and the Cole?

[cdw19390]

You are right on the Republicans in power are cowards. Except for a few brave souls in the house. Trent Lott is a blown dry (or is blowed dry) gold plated phoney.

[Askel5]

Still, the Republican side has probably a slight percentage on the Democrats in favor of Constitutional liberty. It's residual, and only slight.

Oh, I don't know, Coyote.

At the risk of being a one-trick pony, I can't help but hearken to the Right to Life and I do this for two reasons:

1. The Right to Life is the FUNDAMENTAL right from which all other rights issue and is therefore the ultimate either/or in divining a person's true stand on human justice and liberty;

2. Abortion has been used LIKE NO OTHER ISSUE to explain away -- time and time and time again -- the compromises, losses, defeats and "no win situations" of our so-called "pro-life" politicians whose rallying cry on this issue consistently ends up: "I'm personally opposed, BUT .."

The facts are incontravertible.

We are supposed to believe that the Democrats (whose constituents are so lame and so stupid as to DEMAND the right to off their own) have run circles around us using the compelling logic that "it's better to be dead than unwanted."

The ugly truth, however, is that it is the GOP who not only recognizes but mandates that "Abortion is VITAL to the solution" of population control at home and abroad. This is very clearly set forth in Kissinger's NSSM-200 (signed by him for Nixon and signed by Scowcroft -- as NSDM-314 -- for Ford).

As a Bloodhound and "no holds barred" defender of human life, I find the conclusions to be drawn therefrom horrifying and irrefutable.

It was George H. Bush who most clearly exposed (in debate and in discussion) Title X and the "War on Poverty" for the War on the Poor it truly was.

It is the GOP who confected, waged and perpetuated our War on Drugs and -- having outfitted the likes of Clinton with the federal police force necessary to mow down Davidians -- not only looked the other way but wiped his hands clean.

It is the GOP again at the helm now that we are poised to launch a third war on the American people, their civil liberties and personal freedoms under the guise of the "War on Terrorism" our AG of "Justice" Ashcroft wishes to model on the oh-so-successful Drug War.

Drug War Redux - The attorney general's misguided model for the War Against Terrorism

Ashcroft, Seeking Broad Powers, Says Congress Must Act Quickly

Truly, it was the Blood Trail and the human life digging that finally brought the Escher drawing into focus for me. GOP's top dog. The Dems -- including Howdy Doody Clinton -- are just a clown car used to distract the crowds from whatever the ringmaster's readying centerstage.