Posted on 09/28/2001 4:04:15 PM PDT by The Black Knight
Hello, fellow freepers. I have two questions for you all, and hopefully you can help me out here. I thank you in advance.
First of all, I am a conservative (duh) Christian, and, as such, I oppose abortion on the belief that we do not have the authority to end human life. A liberal co-worker whom I usually argue politics with calls me a hypocrit, because I believe in the death penalty. He says that I can't believe in both. PLEASE HELP ME!
Second of all, has anybody heard anything from over at Klamath Falls? The water problem? I'm not trying to downplay the tragedy and impending military strike, but I was wondering what is going on with our brothers trying to win a victory for their rights in our own country.
The death penalty is just that...a penalty. A severe penalty for evil people.
A baby has made no such value judgements, nor acted upon them and is innocent.
You watch how the liberal's blood boils when the logic stumps them and they fly off into a fit of rage. Happens every time! I think it's a synaptic block or something.
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1) Well, I am "pro-life" but on the basis that NO ONE has the right to take INNOCENT human life. No one. Taking the life of GULITY people, on the other hand, is justify in both my eyes and from the P.O.V. of the bible. If someone came at me and my family with a meat clever trying to carve us up, I'd certainly be justified to shoot them in the head as an act of self-defense. This act would take ONE life, but it would SAVE countless INNOCENT lives in the process. Therefore, I believe the Terrorist War, the Death Penelty, and Owning a gun for PROTECTION (if nothing else) are justified. They are all used for the purpose of saving innocent lives by halting murders that occur at the hand of gulity lives. However, I am totally against abortion, euthentia, and joy-killing. These are all jeolosy acts that end INNOCENT lives merely for self-gradification.
2) Haven't heard much because I don't live in the western rockies. However, we've had simular problems here in the mid-west with ignorant federal land regulations. The problem, IMO, rests with Gale Norton and no one else. Some freepers seem to want to make excuses for her by claiming Bush is secretly giving her orders or whatnot. I don't think so-- the buck stops with the Interior Secretary, and we have an RINO Interior Secretary that was falsely sold to us as a conservative. Encourage President Bush to dumb her, and put Helen Chenworth in her place. Betsa the Klamath farmers would get FAR MORE attention to their plight if the latter occured. ;-)
Hank
... and that in itself is an interesting point. there are states where a certain crime
allows for the death penalty, and other states that don’t - for the same crime.
the right to kill babies... supreme court said it was there in the
constitution. right there under the penumbras. right.
If that is your argument, the liberal is right.
Do you believe it is wrong to kidnap someone? Yes.
Do you believe someone who kidnaps should be arrested? Yes.
Isn't that arrest just a legal kidnapping? Uuugggghhh....
My point is this:
If we use the arguement, "If it's wrong to kill someone, then it's wrong for everyone (including the government)," then we must also be prepared to say, "If it's wrong to kidnap someone then it's wrong for everyone (including the government)." The government can also fine you for things. Isn't that just stealing?
We say that the government has certain authority to fine, arrest and execute people who break the law and are found guilty buy a jury. If the government illegally fined, arrested or executed someone, we would accuse them of stealing, kidnapping or murdering.
In the end, I believe it comes down to the guilt of the executed and the authority of the executioner.
- An unborn baby is not guilty of breaking any law and the doctor does not have the authority to kill him even if he could be guilty.
- A convict is guilty of breaking the law and the state has the authority to execute him (by consent of the governed).
The way it should be. Which State is right? They're all right..they have that power granted to them.
She was speechless.
Uhuh.
If society tells you, "Don't murder someone for their wallet or you will be electrocuted."
Liberals have trouble understanding personal responsibility, but in both cases you have the choice. If you put the knife in the outlet, whose fault is it if you get fried? If you kill someone, whose fault is it if you get fried? You get to decide. Just as everyone on deathrow made thier choice.
Now how about if the liberals give the babies thier choice.
You can argue all you want about one's "interpretation". All that needs to be said is that it is clear that an unborn person is God's creation and LIFE regardless of how someone chooses to distort that concept. If you are bent on finding verbatim instruction on all sins, you can argue forever.
For those that really know the Lord, the rules are crystal clear. If you cannot understand them, I suggest you meet Him. The Holy Spirit will reveal a lot of things to you that you will find no need to question. If you choose to leave God out of your quest, you will never understand and continue to challenge His Word because it does not speak to ears that cannot hear.
If I were John Gotti, that would have been a freudian slip!
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ABORTION
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
--Genesis 3:16
"...they were twin boys within her womb."
--Genesis 25:24
"Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless...Rescue the weak and needy."
--Psalm 82:3-4
"Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from Him... For You created my innermost being; You knit me together in my mother's womb"
--Psalm 139:13-14
"This is what the Lord says- it is he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you"
--Isaiah 44:2
"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined...But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life"
--Exodus 21: 22-23
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her... he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay"
--Exodus 25
"Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent life."
--Deu 27:25
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
--Jeremiah 1:5
"...and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb."
--Luke 1:15
[NOTE: the bible states earlier that only PERSONS can be filled with the Holy Spirit]
For, behold, the [apocalypic] days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the womb that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
--Luke 23:29
DEATH PENEALTY
"Whoever sheds man's blood, by man [shall] his blood be shed, for in the image of God, he made Man"
--Gen. 9:6
"Say to the Israelites: `Any Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death'"
--Leviticus 20:2
"They kept the [murderer] in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, 'The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." ...the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD had commanded"
--Numbers 15:33-36
"`Anyone who kills a person is to be put to death as a murderer only on the testimony of witnesses"
--Numbers 35: 30
"The blood of the victim defiles the land. The only way to clense it is to administer capital punishment to the murderer"
-- Numbers 35:33-34
"If a man guilty of a capital offense, [he] is put to death and his body is [to be] hung on a tree"
--Deuteronomy 21:22
"As the lord lives, surely the man who has done this deservse to die"
-- 2 Samuel 12:5
There you go.
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