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Has Bush outfoxed bin Laden?
New Australian ^ | Thursday 27 September 2001 | James Henry

Posted on 09/27/2001 6:56:04 AM PDT by Tai_Chung

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To: Tai_Chung
good posting,thank you.
181 posted on 09/27/2001 9:51:00 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: Interesting Times
I posted a large book excerpt on that topic in this very thread.

I read the post and the excerpt, too bad you didn't.
Not a whole lot there, they had a business deal that made them some money (not a lot but not bad) and Gore Sr introduced Hammer as his friend and helped him with some legislation.
Imagine that, what a heinous crime - a Senator helped a constituent with some legislation. Oh the horror!

There wasn't a single illegal thing outlined in the article. Lots of perjorative wording but no real substance. In short, all smoke and no fire. No charges, indictments, arrests or convictions. Nothing, nada, zippy!

182 posted on 09/27/2001 9:52:07 PM PDT by Bouncer
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To: Thumper1960
We also tell them it's the President's obligation to conduct foreign policy and not be interfered with by meddling congresscritters.

Yeah, I know - those damn pesky LAWS kept getting in the way of Reagan/Bush. Good thing they could use the power of the pardon to show everyone that the laws don't apply to them.

183 posted on 09/27/2001 10:05:50 PM PDT by Bouncer
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To: Bouncer
Heh, pretty funny. Of course, the Boland Amendment was the biggest joke of all, by virtue of its turning legitimate policy disagreements between Republicans and Democrats into criminal violations. Apparently, the Democratic playbook back then was to just figure out where your opponents stand and then criminalize their stance.

Make your political opponents acting on their opinions and beliefs a criminal offense. Oh yeah, they really seized the moral high ground there, you bet.
184 posted on 09/27/2001 10:18:22 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Bouncer
Oh, Please...............

Laws worship by Liberal. What an oxymoron. The highest(?) form of Liberal action is flaunting of laws and societal convention. For every "law" that Reagan/Bush/whomever broke or stretched, one can find a corresponding instance of Liberal 'illegality' to counter.

Since it appears that you worship the "law", perhaps you'd have insisted on the arrest and conviction of Rosa Parks. After all, she violated the "law".

Sanctimonious whining is very unbecoming. Have a tissue. It's free.

185 posted on 09/27/2001 10:26:28 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Bouncer
" Good thing they could use the power of the pardon to show everyone that the laws don't apply to them. "

OH You mean Like Clinton and Gore pardoned all the scumbags and Drug dealers?? Not Likely Dude!!!

186 posted on 09/28/2001 4:39:19 AM PDT by dokmad
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To: liberallarry
Pure supposition. He's got all the markings of the new-money social stigma... coming from bad pedigree and romping with royals? That's not easy, particularly 30 years ago. He probably couldn't deal with it. Rebellion seems to have welcomed him as one of its own.

This means nothing & changes nothing other than to disagree with the idea that he hates the West for having been exposed to its evils, etc. etc. Seems to me he's a social runt who didn't have the balls to stick up for himself.

187 posted on 09/28/2001 5:22:17 AM PDT by nicollo
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To: nicollo
Too bad. I was hoping for more.

I read the situation completely differently. I don't think he comes from a bad pedigree. To the contrary. Nor can we make a direct comparison with the British.

Nor am I convinced he's estranged from his family. To the contrary again. I think his expulsion from Saudi Arabia was strictly political and there's a very good chance that their elite is playing a double game - critisizing him while secretly financing him.

Even worse, after reading his statements and those of Mullah Omar I find him to be possessed of a noble spirit. I know this is hard to accept but I'm sure he thinks his cause is as just and his actions as justified as we do ours.

In sum, unless I can find evidence to the contrary, I find him to be a very dangerous adversary. If we catch him quickly, we'll do ourselves a very great favor.

188 posted on 09/28/2001 8:02:52 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Bouncer
Bush won the election OVERWHELMINGLY, I might add. You sore losers should really get over it....that was a year ago. Bugsy Dailey would never rig an election, would he.

Gwhore and family got money from selling tobacco, but claimed to be against it.

Clintoon was seen by the world as WEAK and made America look like an easy pushover.

The Taliban needs replacements for all the defecting officers, perhaps you would serve your masters better if you return home to meet the same fate as your friends.

189 posted on 09/28/2001 8:35:34 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Bouncer
Oh I see them alright but not from your perspective. President Gore is not an unelected, ne'er do well, 3rd generation member of a crime family.

Words mean things. Ne'er do well means he has never done anything well.

You can blame the President if you want to for the sins of his fathers (which I don't concede). But I don't. I do blame the former VP for the crimes he committed himself. You did get one thing right, though. Bush is not unelected. Gore is.

See I told you that if you kept poking you were going to get a fight.

I never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Shalom.

190 posted on 09/28/2001 9:06:57 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Bouncer Consistent_Libertarian OWK Storm_Orphan
OK, I gave you attribution for all my Bush Crime Family charges. Now send me your attribution for this quote (and I use the term loosely) of Gore's.

You also use the term "attribution" loosely. You didn't attribute anything, you just threw out charges. At a town meeting during the campaign a woman asked Gore something very much like:

As a father, how do you explain to your daughter the allegation of rape - and as a social worker I think the allegation is credible - how do you explain the allegation of rape against the President and your continued working with him.

Gore's answer was much like what I said. He told the woman that he hadn't paid any attention to that because it hadn't been proven (although he paid a lot of attention to the Bush cocaine charge which hadn't even been alleged). He told her that, even if true, men make mistakes and you have to look at all the good Bill Clinton has done. It was broadcast at the time and had very limited play in the news. I'll bet there are those on Free Republic who can still point to an article.

Guys and Gals? A little help?

Shalom.

191 posted on 09/28/2001 9:18:07 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Interesting Times
Did someone mention the word "treason"?

Look, Bouncer suggests that President Bush's father was engaged in treason and you come back suggesting tha Al Gore's father was engaged in treason and none of that was the issue. I was comparing Gore's character to Bush's, not the character of their fathers. I would not suggest that Bouncer was talking about Iran-Contra anyway. That may have been illegal but it sure wasn't treason, as I suspect Bouncer knows.

But back to the issues. Nobody has accused President Bush of treason. Gore is implicated in treason by his support of the Clinton Administration's sale of our nuclear secrets to China. That's treason. Gore has also broken the law, at least by making fundraising phone calls from his White House office and by attending a fundraiser at a Buddhist Temple. I'm sure there is more.

The cap on the Gore character issue is his defense of Bill Clinton as a possible rapist. He doesn't mind if Bill is a rapist, as Juanita Broderrick (?) has alledged, because he has done so much good that he has more than made up for it. If Al Gore were president then rape wouldn't be a crime as long as the rapist contributed to charity afterwords.

(BTW: If you have a link to articles about the town hall meeting where he said that, Bouncer has asked.)

Stick to the subject, please.

Shalom

192 posted on 09/28/2001 9:27:58 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: Bouncer
Now send me your attribution for this quote (and I use the term loosely) of Gore's.

First, go to the menu at the top of the screen (not the browser menu) and select Archives. Then in the Search tool type "Gore rape" without the quotes and click the Go button. You'll get several articles. One interesting article appears here. If I recall from my days as a NH resident, the Union Leader isn't exactly a right-wing fanatical rag. Take a look and enjoy.

Shalom

193 posted on 09/28/2001 9:43:32 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
I think I'll continue to decide what I want to post for myself.

Thanks for the advice, though...

194 posted on 09/28/2001 10:13:32 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: cinFLA
Suggest you check my response in post 93. If you still have a problem, well, I guess you have a problem.
195 posted on 09/28/2001 5:15:30 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: ottersnot
Please check my response in post 93. If that doesn't satisfy you, well, so be it.
196 posted on 09/28/2001 5:16:36 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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