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Evolution: A Series on PBS tonight
PBS ^ | Sept. 24, 2001 | PBS

Posted on 09/24/2001 1:12:24 PM PDT by ThinkPlease

Tonight is the beginning of the Evolution Series on PBS. I thought I'd open up some threads of discussion here prior, during and after the telecast of the episodes.

Here's PBS's homepage for the telecast:

PBS Homepage

And Here's something from the Discovery Institute, who is evidently irritated about turning down free publicity on the telecast. (They were offered time on the final night of the telecast, and turned down PBS.)

Discovery Institute


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To: BMCDA
But keep in mind that this is a parallel process.

Insufficient, expecially when it comes to the higher species. For example, evolutionists now say that the ancestor of both man and monkey is some 10 million years in the past. Now that sounds like a long time but it is only about a million generations. Now how many individuals do you wish to count in each generation? Let's be over generous and say there were a billion each generation. So that gives you 10 to the 15th power of opportunities for getting a new functional gene. The chances for a random creation of a small functional gene are greater than 1 to the 65th power. Of course there is always the chance of a lucky strike at the beginning so one gene would be possible though somewhat improbable. However the difference between man and monkey is 2% of the genes. That sounds small but it means some 600 genes. Since even one new gene in 10 million years is improbable, 600 is a complete impossibility.

201 posted on 09/25/2001 10:14:16 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: longshadow
fix your damned fonts when you're drooling on the thread, will ya?

Now answer the questions I asked you.

Perhaps when you start talking like a human being you will get an answer.

202 posted on 09/25/2001 10:18:12 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Take a break from insulting everyone in sight and answer the question:

How many different people have used the "gore3000" screen name to post on FR from May until present?

203 posted on 09/25/2001 10:23:00 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: gore3000
quoting one of the evos: "Everyone is indeed transitional"

Everyone? You mean PEOPLE?? I almost can't believe even one of the evos made such a claim.

We're all transitional? From what? I mean, they've demonstrated that we cannot have descended from the neanderthal and all other hominids are much further from us both in time and morphology THAN the neanderthal. That leaves nothing on Earth as a plausible ancestor for modern man.

The other question is To what? The genome project has also shown that the only difference between Bantus and Germans is frequency of genes present in both groups, i.e. there is in actual fact only one human race and thus no evidence whatsoever of any group of humans in any process of evolving into anything else.

Thus, there is zero evidence on the planet of modern man ever having been involved in any sort of a process which could be called evolution.

204 posted on 09/25/2001 10:24:25 PM PDT by medved
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To: NonZeroSum
I don't know why atheists insist on spewing this lie. The Bible says God created life. Evolution denies it. -me-

No, evolution simply denies that God created life as it exists today,

You left out the point that evolution denies that God created man and that is in the Bible. However, it does deny that God created life, though it is too dishonest to say so explicitly. If God created life then why would he stop? Why would he not have created man if He does exist?

Evolution is very hypocritical, and this is one of its greatest hypocresies. Darwin was an atheist, though he refused to say so. Just about all his dear friends and comrades in promoting evolution were atheists also but they continue to deny that evolution is against religion because like the devil they want to suck in believers into their false ideology.

205 posted on 09/25/2001 10:24:55 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: WRhine
No, it is only PROOF to a close minded individual that can't think for himself and would rather believe ancient folklore because of an inability to think rationally and logically.

Slimes prove nothing. Darwin said that man descended from monkeys and science has proven that statement wrong. That is proof against evolution no matter how many times you scream shout and insult. You cannot hide the truth with screams, insults and character assassination - no matter what Clinton and Goebbels believed.

206 posted on 09/25/2001 10:30:36 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Interesting, so how about telling us exactly what the theory of evolution is and how man descended from monkeys, cockroaches and pond scum. I am dying to hear.

No, you're not. You're lying. There's nothing that anyone can say to you that would dissuade you from your beliefs, and there's no point in discussing it further.

207 posted on 09/25/2001 10:32:26 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: eddie willers
Will there be gazongas in it?
Yes....they start with Twiggy in the first show, and finish with Jayne Mansfield.

I'm still trying to figure out what gazongas are!

208 posted on 09/25/2001 10:32:54 PM PDT by Annabel_Lee
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To: gore3000
You are totally dishonest. In post#121 in answer to why there were no transitional species you said:

I had nothing to do with post #121. Discussing anything with you is a total waste of bandwidth.

209 posted on 09/25/2001 10:35:59 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Annabel_Lee
I'm still trying to figure out what gazongas are!

Semi-politely, they are large on Dolly Parton and non-existent on Michael Jackson(as of this moment).

210 posted on 09/25/2001 10:38:25 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
There is a non-zero probability of human DNA mutating into chimp DNA

In, a single generation, it is about the same probability as the probability that the sun won't rise in the morning. Please go to another thread and argue about some subject on which you might have some hope of being knowledgeable.

211 posted on 09/25/2001 10:39:38 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: gore3000
Slimes prove nothing. Darwin said that man descended from monkeys and science has proven that statement wrong.

No, science has proven that statement largely right. At a minimum we branched off the primate family somewhere, millions of years ago. Whether it was from the direct ancestors of today’s monkeys or not is still an open question. You can say this is wrong until you are blue in the face but that is YOUR PROBLEM. Out of 1,000 scientists you might get one or two to agree with you. Science is not on your side and you know it, otherwise you Creationists wouldn't be so sensitive about it. Deal with it. Oh and by the way, in your vernacular, I admit that I slime occasionally but so do you. Why is it that when you insult an Evolutionist it is not a slime? You born again Christians have a real problem with being real.

213 posted on 09/25/2001 10:52:58 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: medved
"There's no such thing as an "intermediate species."

That's right. They've been futily combing the Earth to find one for 150 years now

No, no one's even been looking for them. There's no such thing. Either that, or every species is an "intermediate species." Either way, it's irrelevant to the theory of natural selection.

214 posted on 09/25/2001 11:04:54 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Your posts are tiresome, logically fallacious and quite hilarious, the sad part is that you will claim victory, much like the little dog that barks all night at the moon, until it sets, and then the dog goes to bed, happy in the fact that it once again defeated the "evil moon"

You pegged Gore3000 perfectly. Note to self: never get in a flame war with Central Scrutiniser.

215 posted on 09/25/2001 11:09:27 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: NonZeroSum
In, a single generation, it is about the same probability as the probability that the sun won't rise in the morning. Please go to another thread and argue about some subject on which you might have some hope of being knowledgeable.

Oh arrogant unwise one, those who are ignorant are the first to apply ad hominem. However small the probability of the discussed birth it is still non-zero. Natural selection cannot function alone. And I did not mention natural selection, you did. You are the one with deficient knowledge of statistical inference. Since you are not the traffic cop here why don't you follow your own advice and bugger off. You posted to me uninvited and have done nothing but insult when asked for any semblance of logical discourse. Here are your pearls of nitwit in order.

No, one shouldn't, unless one is totally ignorant of statistics and the nature of genetic mutations.


The chances of a human giving birth to a chimpanzee are so infinitesimal as to approach zero, and the proposition that it might or might not happen is utterly irrelevant to the theory of natural selection, of which you apparently understand nothing at all.


Many are not aware of that, so I was simply being as clear as possible.

No, it doesn't. It only sounds logical if you're utterly ignorant of genetics in general, the human genome in particular, and the process of natural selection.

There is essentially zero chance of a human having a chimpanzee offspring. Speciation doesn't occur in a single birth, and the subject remains irrelevant to natural selection.

216 posted on 09/25/2001 11:16:10 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Oh arrogant unwise one, those who are ignorant are the first to apply ad hominem.

It is not ad hominem to describe a reasonable inference of your knowledge level based directly on the contents of your posts.

217 posted on 09/25/2001 11:21:03 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
It is not ad hominem to describe a reasonable inference of your knowledge level based directly on the contents of your posts.

That is bovine scatology. An refutation to an argument requires no refence to the opponent unless that opponent uses such reference as support. I did no such thing.

218 posted on 09/25/2001 11:25:31 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
That is bovine scatology. An refutation to an argument requires no refence to the opponent unless that opponent uses such reference as support. I did no such thing.

I have refuted your arguments. That you're too ignorant to recognize it is no fault of mine.

219 posted on 09/25/2001 11:36:33 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
I have refuted your arguments

Sorry Capt Picard, saying "make it so" does not make it so. My argument was

After all, there is only a 2% difference in the DNA which came about in 5 million years, therefore, randomly, one should expect 1/5,000,000th chance of that in 1 year. Those are lottery odds. (actually the odds are much worse, but you figure them out, and be careful, random things have no direction)

leading to

You now have the golden opportunity to put your numbers where your opinion is.

Which you have yet to do.

220 posted on 09/25/2001 11:42:05 PM PDT by AndrewC
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