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Fewer restrictions on law enforcement agents and the creation of a new federal office may be necessary steps to protect the United States from foreign terrorists. But powerful bureaucracies and narrowed civil liberties are exactly the sort of triggers that set off militia groups.

I can hear it now:
Concerned about legislation going overboard? Well, that's a typical terrorist response. I thought the trigger was a decline in Alcoa stock.

We are likely to see a resurgence of militia group activity just at the time that law enforcement agencies are retasking themselves to counter foreign threats. Even if law enforcement agents continue to infiltrate militia groups, it is much more difficult to monitor and prevent activity from individuals. As militia ranks fill, it is not unlikely to expect some of them to resort to the same kind of armed activity as Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski did in the past.

I posted my Homeland defense and anti-terrorism primer with links today

1 posted on 09/21/2001 5:03:49 PM PDT by testforecho
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"...according to the Southern Poverty Law Center." The fib needs to stop listening to the SPLC!
2 posted on 09/21/2001 5:10:26 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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Generally, Patriot groups ...advocate extreme anti-government doctrines, fearing the growth of government bureaucracies and intrusion upon civil liberties.

Oh yes, how extreme, to be for minimal government and against intrusion on civil liberties.

4 posted on 09/21/2001 5:33:30 PM PDT by sargon
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But powerful bureaucracies and narrowed civil liberties are exactly the sort of triggers that set off militia groups.

pure leftist statist dreck. here come their adjectives, ready?
cult, compound, seperatist, militia. according to these statists, there is no room
in this country for patriots. you’re federal, or you’re the enemy. mule muffins.

if you have a cross around your neck, or a rifle in your house or a
pickup in your driveway, or a flag on your house, you are the
enemy of the country. horse hockey.

pray for our republic.

7 posted on 09/21/2001 5:39:43 PM PDT by glock rocks (fmcdh)
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Military intelligence...
Democrat morality...

stratfor analysis....

9 posted on 09/21/2001 5:40:31 PM PDT by mrsmith
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The proper way to secure both freedom and safety is to encourage armed citizens to be vigilant.
10 posted on 09/21/2001 5:44:21 PM PDT by supercat
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And from two of our favorites: NOT

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all." ~~California Representative Henry Waxman

"We are going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" ~~ (then) NY Representative Charles Schumer

11 posted on 09/21/2001 5:54:24 PM PDT by spartan68
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From the article: The number has decreased dramatically in the past five years, thanks to a combination of a strong economy and heavy pressure from law enforcement agencies in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing.

No, it decreased dramatically because of heinous propaganda after the OKC bombing (I see it's still being spewed out, like this article) and the fact that Clinton is now gone from the White House. The small percentage of the "militias" that are not composed of federal agents are patriots, and would never attack the government during this war provoked by enemies without. If anything "domestic" does happen, be sure it's a Reichstag event.

12 posted on 09/21/2001 5:55:51 PM PDT by agrandis
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Further provisions include eliminating the statue of limitations for terrorism-related crimes and allowing federal authorities to detain without a court order non-U.S. citizens suspected of involvement in terrorist activities.

Whats the 'statue of limitations' made out of? Marble? Granite? Where is it at? Is it in Philadelphia? or Washington DC?

14 posted on 09/21/2001 5:58:35 PM PDT by Frohickey
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Want to knock the militia movement in the dirt and keep them happy .... just roll back EVERY gun law excepting the 2nd amendment. And outlaw confiscation of property.

They would stay home and enjoy the weekend if they JUST DID THOSE TWO LITTLE THINGS.

15 posted on 09/21/2001 6:02:15 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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This is nonsense. The danger of the militia groups was mostly invented out of the brain of bill clinton and his spinners, after the OKC bombing, as a very effective campaign ploy. As it turned out, even if you believe the government case, the militias had nothing to do with it. It's part and parcel with the nonsense that Jerry Falwell is dangerous. (Politically naive, yes, and sometimes even stupid, but dangerous, no.)

As long as the Homeland Defense people and the security agencies leave ordinary, law-abiding citizens alone, and don't start pretending that people praying on the sidewalks in front of abortion clinics are "terrorists," there won't be any trouble.

If they do start behaving tyrannically, then obviously all bets are off. And deservedly so. Americans won't put up with it. No more Wacos. No more Lon Horiuchis. No more Janet Renos.

17 posted on 09/21/2001 6:07:25 PM PDT by Cicero
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Stratfor is shaking my confidence in them for relying of Morris "the fraud and liar" Dees for information. Sad, sad. They better straighten up.
19 posted on 09/21/2001 6:14:19 PM PDT by Kermit
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"As militia ranks fill, it is not unlikely to expect some of them to resort to the same kind of armed activity as Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski did in the past.

BS! These goofs were loners and McVeigh was kicked out of the MI militia. Citing the SPLC, stratfor is not an org that holds individual rights as important at all.

20 posted on 09/21/2001 6:18:45 PM PDT by spunkets
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There is alot logic disconnect with this article. So much BS.
22 posted on 09/21/2001 6:24:52 PM PDT by demlosers
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There is some real horse manure in this piece -- Such as listening to those Southern Law Center Schmucks -- but the point is the real deal.

Indeed, the sickest ironies, the most insidious evils that have come, and will continue to come, from the raghead attacks on U.S.A. is that:

a) more people will now die at the hand of federal alphabet soup terrorists such as the DEA, FBI and BATF and
b) possibly more people will die in attacks from those prepared to give their life for the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Solving the threat of attack from domestic sources is QED -- Quite Easily Done -- Return to the Rule of Law under the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Presto. No more threat from Billy Joe and Ida Mae out in Stickville.

Of course, then we'd have even more threat from the Gore/Nader voter types that so like to burn ski lodges and smash out windows at starbucks.....

Oh well. Such is life in a lawless land with dumbed down soccer moms that lead the political winds even whilst they look for little Johnny's ritalin and the next Klinton to fellate.

24 posted on 09/21/2001 6:34:41 PM PDT by James Mabry (libertyone@hotmail.com)
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Fewer restrictions on law enforcement agents and the creation of a new federal office may be necessary steps to protect the United States from foreign terrorists. But powerful bureaucracies and narrowed civil liberties are exactly the sort of triggers that set off militia groups.

They got that right. And it should get all freedom loving patriots steamed.

We are likely to see a resurgence of militia group activity just at the time that law enforcement agencies are retasking themselves to counter foreign threats. Even if law enforcement agents continue to infiltrate militia groups, it is much more difficult to monitor and prevent activity from individuals. As militia ranks fill, it is not unlikely to expect some of them to resort to the same kind of armed activity as Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski did in the past.

I am not familiar with this website, but they seem to take the typical liberal media bias of trotting out the specters of McVeigh, who was expelled from the Militia group he was associated with, and Kaczynski who was never was a Militia member and was in fact an Eco-terrorist (a person totally opposed to personal freedom).

26 posted on 09/21/2001 6:42:47 PM PDT by Pontiac
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I have come to the conclusion that stratfor.com is a leftist disinformation propaganda machine. It might be interesting to find out who all these "analysts" are. I think these are the people who put out half-truths and rumors designed to elicit a particular reaction. We need to look at actual proposed legislation to see if these characters aren't spinning.
27 posted on 09/21/2001 6:50:59 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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The original Homeland Defense = The Second Amendment and armed citizens.
34 posted on 09/21/2001 7:26:18 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought slack CIA/FBI intelligence of foreign nationals in this country, and terroristic enforment of usurped "laws" by the FBI/ATF against citizens of this country, to be, at least, partly responsible for the more recent domestic terrorism. I would suggest the FBI/ATF/CIA secret police spend more time watching foreign nationals entering our nation and less time watching the natural born citizens of our nation. You might also consider enforcing the laws made pursuant to the Constitution of the United States, rather than the zillion or so "laws" created via usurpation. That will destroy the so-called militia movement instantly without a shot being fired, and will demonstrate that you, the enforcers, are also good citizens (just as instantly). While you are at it, expel all who currently hold visa's (and those in our nation illegally), and tell them to resubmit applications for visas. That will give us a fresh start on the true war on terrorism.

God Bless America

35 posted on 09/21/2001 7:32:34 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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Militia does not equal domestic terrorists. My line of thinking is we're gonna find out this will be a real good time to have the militias around.
40 posted on 09/21/2001 7:45:04 PM PDT by c. l. coffman
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Actually, it appears as though the 'unorganized militia' struck first in this new landscape: Beamer and da boyz were triumphant on Flight 93. God bless their love of country, and of freedom. They threw off the shackles of the Nanny State, and rolled.
41 posted on 09/21/2001 7:49:30 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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