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What I expect from American Muslims
Vanity | 9/19/01 | Antoninus

Posted on 09/19/2001 8:34:09 PM PDT by Antoninus

An insidious, monstrous criminal atrocity has been committed against our country. There's now little doubt that this barbaric act was committed by fanatical Muslims as part of a jihad against the 'Great Satan' America. In the aftermath, we are treated to platitudinous and largely unnecessary calls for Americans to exercise 'restraint' and not take out our anger against other Americans who happen to be of the same religious extraction as the maniacs who perpetrated this act. These calls for restraint could be made unnecessary if American Muslims would simply do the following...

Convene a very public, nationally televised 'town hall' meeting of Muslim clerics and high-ranking officials with in their communities around the country. Within this public forum, allow presenter after presenter to state unequivocably that they:

1. Decry the dastardly attack on the World Trade Centers in no uncertain terms.

2. Declare to be false and pernicious the notion that a murderous, suicidal death leads one's soul to heaven. State in no uncertain terms that this teaching is contrary to true Islam.

3. Renounce the use of terroist violence to achieve political ends, and call for ALL foreign governments to do the same.

4. State publicly that they support the right of the United States to wage war against those nations and groups which harbor and abet terrorism whether they be Muslim or otherwise.

5. Put forth a dire warning to the terrorist cells that may be in their midst that Muslim-Americans will not think twice about turning these perfidious scoundrels over to the US government.

6. Mention that any public celebration of these attacks by Muslim-Americans is a deplorable act which harms not only the Muslim community, but America as a whole.

What I don't want to hear in relation to this is one single word about:

1. How this would never have happened if the US didn't support Israel.

2. How our 'imperialist' oppression of Arab nations brought on this attack.

3. Any kind of justification for terrorist barbarism.

Individual statements along these lines have surfaced here and there, but until the Muslim community as a whole does this in a very public fashion, I will have to view them with some suspicion. The mere fact that we haven't seen more of these kinds of statements indicates to me (and I hope I'm wrong on this) that there is decent amount of clandestine approval of the attack within the Muslim-American community...


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Comment #161 Removed by Moderator

To: Diamond; ankaboot
Apparently valid points in response to ankaboot, Diamond. I hope he replies to your cites of religious sanctioned lying to non-muslims, by Sunnis (he already says that Shias accept this principle).
162 posted on 10/03/2001 11:06:40 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Last
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of our country!
163 posted on 10/03/2001 11:31:16 PM PDT by xclusiv1
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To: ankaboot
LOL ! ROFL
Apparently you aren't up to the usual Free Republic standards. It isn't enough to be able to read, one really ought to be able to comprehend as well. The question was and remains:
"If you are an American born citizen then how can you be a Palestian ?"

You referred to Germans, Cambodians et al who are naturalized citizens but they aren't American born citizens. That was the question. You can not be American born and be a Palestian too unless you renounce your citizenship. Of course, then you aren't technically, ideologically or philosophically an American.

Americans aren't hyphenated nor do we bear any allegiance another flag. Your agenda is showing, ankaboot. You are not only an insufferable, ignorant bore but you are a fraud and a phoney as well. Any response to your poorly disguised drivel is a waste of time and far better than you deserve. Why not enroll in a literacy course it would be a better use of your time and ours.

164 posted on 10/04/2001 7:14:22 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: father_elijah
A brilliant post, simply brilliant and spot on.

Thank you, Padre!
165 posted on 10/04/2001 7:21:02 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus:OldGlory:LukeFReeman:Gonzo:SeekingTheTruth
Here's the kinds of questions I want answered on NATIONAL, prime-time TV:

The FIRST question I would ask of all the "respected" leaders who hold to the Islamic religion / the Islamic world-view is this:

According to your holy book, the Koran, who is an *infidel*?

Allah teaches you in the Koran that infidels are his enemies. Do you view infidels as your personal enemies?

Does Allah teach you in the Koran to love your enemies, like the Christian God does?

We know the Koran teaches you to live and relate to other people in peace and tolerance. Do these "other people" include those who aren't members of the Islamic religion ("infidels")?

Does Allah teach you in the Koran that it is NOT OK to kill people UNLESS they are infidels?

Do you approve of, and support those of the Islamic religion who kill infidels (those not of the Islamic religion)?

And here's the big one:

Will you denounce, here and now, in no UNCERTAIN terms, Islamics who kill, and seek to kill, those who don't believe in Allah, don't believe in the Koran, and aren't members of the Islamic religion (a/k/a "infidels")?

166 posted on 10/04/2001 8:16:46 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Darlin'
Last, On 2 October, the day you registered on Free Republic, you say you are an American Muslim. Further you say that you and your family contribute to American society. Then you say, "...I want NO hate replies to this post. I've had my share already."

Wow! Columbo, I had my share of hate messages on other news groups. I still don't want more here.

167 posted on 10/04/2001 9:28:58 AM PDT by Last
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To: Talcminer
Hey Last,

Hi Talcminer,

Bill Clinton said that "I did not have sex with that women" at least three times, and he had a whole cadre of people to back him up.

Good point. Clinton had obvious reaons for lying. Bin Laden has none. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that he's not your enemy. I'm saying that he had nothing to do with the attacks.

Think about it. Bin Laden knows that we're gonna hit him anyway. He's been chased by the CIA for years. He has nothing to fear. He even declared after the attacks that "America is our enemy until they withdraw their forces from the gulf", yet he continues: "But as a Muslim, I do not lie. I have nothing to do with the attacks and I oppose to killing innocent men, women, and children". No more to say. End of this point for me. You can believe what you want but God will give victory to the truth eventually.

Do you think that the attackers, whether Muslim or whatever, did not anticipate such reactions from the American people against Muslims? They did. And you're walking right on the trail they drew for you. Please at least consider that fact.

168 posted on 10/04/2001 9:43:59 AM PDT by Last
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To: Last
"..I had my share of hate messages on other news groups. I still don't want more here."

Tsk, tsk. Did you ever consider those messages might just be about you and not your indeterminate heritage. BTW, did you ever decide which story you want to go with ? Are you a hyphenated Muslim American or a Palestian ?

169 posted on 10/04/2001 10:10:47 AM PDT by Darlin'
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To: ankaboot
Be like the better son of Adam.

Who is the better son of Adam?

171 posted on 10/04/2001 10:21:23 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Antoninus
2. Declare to be false and pernicious the notion that a murderous, suicidal death leads one's soul to heaven. State in no uncertain terms that this teaching is contrary to true Islam.

That isn't going to happen. Because, you see, that teaching is in perfect harmony with islam. Quoted below is a short excerpt of a longer article:

Islam is an imperialist religion, more so than Christianity has ever been, and in contrast to Judaism. The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."

For the entire article, please go HERE

172 posted on 10/04/2001 10:33:09 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: Blade
What's more important: lecturing the 99.99% of Americans who are not racist for the actions of a handful of bigots or figuring out how to stop future terrorist attacks?

Bump.

174 posted on 10/04/2001 10:39:13 PM PDT by WDG55513
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To: getoffmylawn
bump to self to keep up with ankaboot's great posts.
176 posted on 10/04/2001 10:49:15 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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To: ankaboot
I asked who was the better son of Adam, and you give me a big long bunch of garbage. I just wanted to know who was the better son of Adam, that's all.
177 posted on 10/04/2001 10:58:27 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Antoninus
BUMP I agree completely with both your list and your sentiments. If peaceful Muslims are indeed the majority, lets HEAR it from you! Othewise all I seem to read is news from around the globe where Muslim extremists are fighting with some group or other. America has given more freedom to religeous groups than any nation on earth. I'd like to see some respect & thanks.
178 posted on 10/04/2001 11:10:39 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Vigilanteman
You actually meant the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.
179 posted on 10/04/2001 11:17:09 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
You've got it. The 442nd has an awesome website. Thanks for the heads up. American Muslims would do well to emulate them. My guess is that it will be the Turks, Tajiks and others who actually will.
180 posted on 10/05/2001 12:52:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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