Hijack suspect was wanted man (U.S. denied Israel's request for extradition)

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[Judge Parker]

Is this true?

[LSJohn]

This seems to relate to my comments to you on the other thread.

[LSJohn]

There are probably some moles, but I think the greater danger is the practice of letting people with obvious red flag backgrounds to circulate freely in order to monitor and/or "turn" them. I place "turn" in quotation marks because the idea that more than an infinitessimal number of these people can be turned is foolhardy or worse.

[christie]

This needs to be publicized. It's PROOF of Clinton's failed policies. If the public knew that he was responsible for these guys becoming citizens they'd flip.

We don't know when they were naturalized, but it would be a good thing to find out. If it turns out to have been during the 95-96 period, we need to demand what background checks were done. There used to be procedures, including swearing that you don't have a criminal record. I don't know what recourse the government has if the applicant lies, but under Clinton, it was probably ignored.

Does David Shippers lurk? He might know how to get this information.

However, the reports of Bush wanting to nationalize aliens are just as bad...

Absolutely. I was just as angry about that.

Before Clinton, applicants had to have been in the country for several years as a legal resident alien (3 to 5 years, don't remember); have letters of referral, knowledge of civics and ability to pass a test, knowledge of English; have no criminal record; have a personal interview. Application process took about a year, which allowed time for a thorough check.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

Yet, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly, they were actually Arab-Americans.

Sleepers, for sure. This is the way it's done, folks. We're talking some long-term planning.

[LSJohn]

What we are looking at is going off 10,000 miles to fight a war when the enemy has at least a brigade of soldiers already in the country, and maybe some people in the security agencies helping to hide them. Not a good way to go off to war.

Launching missiles and dropping bombs is fast and easy; identifying and apprehending domestic supporters of these terrorist groups is slow and hard; a body-count is needed to satisy the demand for retribution.

I'm afraid we will have to dramatically increase HUMINT capability. I have no problem with that if it is focussed entirely on collection, but there seems to be a strong tendency to morph human collection exercises and assets into operations.

[LSJohn]

Now, why would an FBI Director let that kind of information out to the general public?

Since Freeh did it I don't think it's so clear. If I did it, it would be: a) untrue, and; b) intended to sow doubt among his followers.

[LSJohn]

Now we find that those we are supposed to call brother not only wouldn't fight for this country, but will murder our women and children.

I think you should have at least qualified this statement with "some of those we are supposed..."

[_Jim]

The Oklahoma City bombing middle eastern connection was also buried.

And YOU guys forcefully IGNORE the McVeigh connection: "I did it, I alone did it and I'd do it again" McVeigh ...

[_Jim]

Is this true?

So you had a number of idealogical recruits that didn't belong to any particular country, that had access via their purported citizenship in this country, and they pursued legal objectives (pilot training) with an ill will in their minds ...

Heck - that fits any number of people in this country on any given day.

It's the intent followed by the execution of that ill will that causes problems. Ill will in this case that evolved into a plan to plow a plane into the WTC towers ...

[Judge Parker]

If I understand you correctly, you're saying you're glad we didn't deport the terrorists?

[poweqi]

Well then you can be in charge of finding out who the "SOME" are.Long and arduous task,could take.... hmmmm 8 YEARS to flush out ONE. Better get to work.

[SKYDRIFTER]

Note that McVeigh's description of the bomb assembly and installation were physically impossible. Self-acclaimed notoriety aside, he had precious little to do with it. It's a no-brainer that he didn't even rent the truck.

As with TWA-800, the dots are well connected.

In any event, you've been so silent when the rest of the world was horrified and screaming for justice; where do you now find any sense of legitimate interest or patriotism???

Were you attending more disinformationist briefings and training?

[roughrider]

but there seems to be a strong tendency to morph human collection exercises and assets into operations

If we had any sense, the FBI would have this task removed from their responsibilities. It should be transferred to an expanded Secret Service that still has the proper notion of how informants are used, or to the US Marshal Service, which prefers quick arrests.

[Abundy]

The U.S. authorities at the time turned down Israel’s request to extradite this U.S. national. He is reportedly the scion of a prominent, affluent family in El-Bireh, Ramallah, one of whose members is a former mayor and most of whom carry American citizenship, as do many elite Palestinian families in Ramallah and its environs.

Typical BS from _Jim. He skips over the real meat of the story - that an Arab, maintaining dual citizenship and accused of terrorism in Israel, was protected from extradition and prosecution by the Clinton Government...gotta love old _Jim. You can always count on this asshole for a pro-Clinton, pro-Statist response. I hope someday I get to meet this douchebag face-to-face.

[SKYDRIFTER]

You know the slime well. Jimbo authenticates the New World Order. While most of us want the U.S. out of the U.N., I fear the alternative will be worse.

Note that the usual disinformationists were incredibly silent; it wasn't just Jimbo. There should be no doubt that they were being briefed and re-trained. We'll hear from them as the exposure of the warnings picks up.

No one has cited the disinformationists as traditional American patriots, yet.

Check out [and record] "60-Minutes" tonight (Sunday).

[rdavis84]

"If we had any sense, the FBI would have this task removed from their responsibilities. It should be transferred to an expanded Secret Service that still has the proper notion of how informants are used, or to the US Marshal Service, which prefers quick arrests."

Loss of 'empire' in our bloated bureaucracies is impossible these days. The best we can hope for is another redundant function to be added, and the internal warfare in those agencies self-destructs them both. Of course, that probably means FEMA would be firmly in charge. ;-)

[roughrider]

We may need a contingency location for the posting of this critical information, just to preserve it for when things become calmer. Be sure to save all of these threads to hard drive and diskettes. We may have to temporarily move information sharing to another location until everything settles down.

[freefly]

"Note that the usual disinformationists were incredibly silent;"

So it wasn't just me...
I thought I might just be missing their posts.
Maybe they had some real work to do for a change...
You know, look for REAL terrorists for a change instead of investigating
militia members, fundamental Christians, people with 3 gun "armories", Freepers, etc.