[bryan1276]

The Lord recorded for you the way the universe was created--separating water from water and creating space (Gen. 1:6). The ice above is what gives the universe its pyramid shape and is what closes the universe up in its finite space. THis makes laws possible. (So the universe is encased in ice.) Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Job 38:29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Exodus 28-40 is more specific about all this. As to the speed of light, it is not constant according to the BIble and never was. This has been proven, but forgotten for the sake of holding up Einstein as a god in order to promote relativity in moral standards on the assumption that it existed in physics. However, back in the 1880s light was "clocked" at over 200,000 miles/second... as we know it is now timed at 180,000 miles/second. But since all things in a closed system tend toward entropy, that includes light. (The Red Shift concept is not due to an expanding universe, rather a decreasing speed of light.) Anyhow, physics shows we live in a closed system and any thought to the contrary is alot of vain imagination.

[bryan1276]

If you exceeded the speed of light you wouldnt see anythying. Why do you think that is? (It's pretty simple.)

[Physicist]

(The Red Shift concept is not due to an expanding universe, rather a decreasing speed of light.)

That is not a physically tenable position. There have been entire threads on FR debunking that hypothesis.

Anyhow, physics shows we live in a closed system and any thought to the contrary is alot of vain imagination.

It seems to me that that assertion redounds more to my position than to yours. I do not assume any "outside" to the universe. By introducing a tinkering creator, you have to.

[longshadow]

But since all things in a closed system tend toward entropy, that includes light.

Light (and it's velocity) is NOT a thermodynamic phenomonon. Entropy has NOTHING to do with the speed of light.