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To: bryan1276
(The Red Shift concept is not due to an expanding universe, rather a decreasing speed of light.)

That is not a physically tenable position. There have been entire threads on FR debunking that hypothesis.

Anyhow, physics shows we live in a closed system and any thought to the contrary is alot of vain imagination.

It seems to me that that assertion redounds more to my position than to yours. I do not assume any "outside" to the universe. By introducing a tinkering creator, you have to.

74 posted on 09/10/2001 5:15:39 AM PDT by Physicist (sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu)
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To: Physicist
This may be a silly question. It's been a while, but ...

Does we actually understand why the red shift exists? I remember talking to some physics grad students (I was a lowly math/physics undergraduate at the time) who said that no one really understood why there was a red shift, as opposed to the Doppler effect which clearly exists because there is a medium in which the waves are being produced, and against which the source moves. There is no medium for light, ie. no ether if you believe Michelson/Morley.

76 posted on 09/10/2001 7:43:32 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Physicist
Yes, there is an outside to the universe and an outside Creator. As far as the Red Shift and it's reason for shifting to red, it is still due to the speed of light slowing down.
123 posted on 09/10/2001 3:12:16 PM PDT by bryan1276
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