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Eateries say smoking ban hurts
JS Online ^ | March 24, 2001 | DAVID COLE

Posted on 09/05/2001 10:32:26 AM PDT by Just another Joe

Eateries say smoking ban hurts

Kenosha restaurants cite low sales, seek waivers

By DAVID COLE
Special to the Journal Sentinel
Last Updated: March 24, 2001

Kenosha - A little more than three months after it took effect, the city's ban on smoking in restaurants is running into trouble.

As many as 41 restaurants plan to apply for a two-year exemption from the ban because of the impact it has had on business, according to an accountant for the establishments. Two have already done so.

The restaurants qualify for the exemption because sales at each have dropped at least 10% in the ordinance's first three months, said accountant Stanley Ginkowski. The businesses, mostly family-style restaurants and coffeehouses, blame the smoking ban for the decline, he said.

According to the ordinance, a business is eligible for a one-time, maximum two-year exemption if revenue decreases 10% or more in a three-month period compared with the same time in the previous three years. Restaurants that apply for an exemption must receive the City Council's approval.

If the exemptions are sought and granted, they would effectively gut the new ordinance, Ald. Steve Casey said Tuesday.

"This is a mess the city got themselves into, and it'll be interesting to see how they wiggle their way out," he said.

Casey voted against the ordinance when it was adopted last fall in part because the measure included a series of amendments designed to broaden support for the proposal. Instead, the amendments created confusion, enforcement problems and disparities between restaurants and taverns that serve food, Casey said.

Two Kenosha restaurants - both co-owned by Wisconsin Restaurant Association President Gary Anderson of Kenosha - were granted exemptions last week by the City Council.

The next day, employees at Andy's Restaurant and Andy's Drive-in immediately reinstituted their smoking and non-smoking sections.

Andy's Restaurant lost slightly more than 10% of its sales after the ban, prompting the restaurant to buy less from suppliers and cut employees' hours, co-owner Bill Anderson said.

"I've seen some of my regular customers come back that I haven't seen in three months," said Bill Anderson.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on March 25, 2001.


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To: mewzilla
And there is a statewide ban on smoking in Vermont. I'm not going to post a link, they're easy enough to find. But for those who don't believe me, feel free to light up and see what happens.

Which is why Vermont is on my list of places to never visit.

21 posted on 09/05/2001 11:27:37 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Just another Joe
Joe, with all this no smoke anywhere, it has turned our Country into a bunch of wimps. They have been babied too much, and now look at what we have. Wimps. Little, sickly wussie's that complain all the time. I'm happy I grew up when I did.
22 posted on 09/05/2001 11:28:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe
So, just where would smokers eat if all the restaurants are no-smoking allowed? The problem with the waiver is that there are still restaurants that are allowed smoking. If there was no waiver, then they would all be on an even playing field. BTW, perhaps the decline in sales is due to the economy, not the smoking ban.
23 posted on 09/05/2001 11:33:42 AM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: SheLion
Doesn't surprise me!!!!
24 posted on 09/05/2001 11:34:12 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: wheezer
Most I know (and I know quite a few) are pretty indifferent

Most of the ones I know are smokers themselves.

25 posted on 09/05/2001 11:37:18 AM PDT by geaux
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To: Madame Dufarge
"extortion"

You have detailed the situation to perfection.

26 posted on 09/05/2001 11:37:52 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Gabz, it’s true. The smoking rates are down while asthma rates are up!

The anti’s get sick and they still feel the need to blame smokers. Because the scientists can’t figure out why asthma is on the increase.

Just like airplanes. Their filters were always filthy. They went smoke free. Their filters are STILL filthy, and people are getting sick on long flights because of the impure air. They sure can’t blame THAT on the smokers anymore, can they.

27 posted on 09/05/2001 11:39:17 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe
Well, Duh!

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the whiners. Where were they when they could have actually done something ... when the law was still pending legislation? I suppose better late than never. But business people are going to have to fight for their own survivial if they don't want to be buried by government regulations. They can start by not voting for socialists.

28 posted on 09/05/2001 11:39:23 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: DallasDeb
If there was no waiver, then they would all be on an even playing field. BTW, perhaps the decline in sales is due to the economy, not the smoking ban.

If there was no smoking ban they would all be on an even playing field also. Let the market economy make the decision.

It's possible that the downturn in the economy is affecting it, I suppose.
If this is the case shouldn't it also affect eateries in states that still allow smoking? It's only logical.

29 posted on 09/05/2001 11:39:39 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
Back in June, my wife and I were part of a 48-member tour group that spent 3 weeks in Spain, Morocco and Portugal. The trip was booked on Trafalgar Tours thru local AAA offices. I was one of the few in the group that smoked, and the ONLY one who did so openly.

It turns out that most AAA travel agents had billed the trip as "a nice, non-smoking tour of Spain, Morocco, and Portugal." Yeah, right.

Get a grip, AAA. Spaniards, Portuguese and Moroccans SMOKE. A LOT. Everywhere. There IS no non-smoking section. There are NO non-smoking hotel rooms. And you would not have believed the hue and cry. These tourists were aghast - AGHAST, I say - that these Spaniards, Portuguese, and Moroccans would DARE to smoke "around them." They whined and complained, and all the Tour Director (a Madrilleno with English as a second language) could do was to tell them, "Well, in es-Spain, people SMOKE." This guy talked a big anti-smoking drill and then bummed Marlboros from me. He said that Trafalgar had told him to bad-rap smoking because the AAA had sent a bunch of non-smokers on the tour.

One red-headed gal who puffed like the Komodo Dragon at the Madrid airport was never seen smoking the entire trip - until, when she thought the entire group was off visiting some archaic castle, she decided she could do so. I just so happened to NOT be with the group and came across her.

"I thought you gave that up at the Madrid airport," I said to her. She replied that she didn't want others on the tour to "think badly of her."

I said, "Sweety, I've got an advantage you don't have. I'm old, and I don't give a flyin' patooie what any of them think." She didn't know what to say.

Which is just as well.

Michael

30 posted on 09/05/2001 11:40:49 AM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: mewzilla
I have no idea why waitshtaff would be thrilled. When I waited tables, I noticed the smokers tipped better. They were also more playful and complained less.
31 posted on 09/05/2001 11:40:56 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: SheLion
Restaurants are supposed to be for the public. It appears to me that they are more "private" now, that they do not and cannot accommodate the entire "public." Pity.

Restaurants are private property. If we were still living under the U.S. Constitution, owners of private property would be able to choose who shall and shall not be allowed on their private property.

Applied to the particular situation, you'd have smoke-free restaurants booming to cater to that segment of the population, leaving the old-smoker restaurants to cater to that niche. And it would all happen without coercion ... and without regulation.

Unfortunately, liberals couldn't wait for free people and free markets to react ... and instead decided to impose regulations on owners of private property to cater to only a specific segment of the population - the non-smoker.

BTW, I am not a smoker.

32 posted on 09/05/2001 11:43:36 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: SheLion
I hear the truckers refuse to stop in Vermont now, because of the smoking bans.

Ahhhh. That pesky law of unintended consequences. D@mn myopic libs.

33 posted on 09/05/2001 11:46:45 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: mewzilla
"And there is a statewide ban on smoking in Vermont. I'm not going to post a link, they're easy enough to find. But for those who don't believe me, feel free to light up and see what happens."

Vermont? Isn't that the State that made same sex marriages legal? Yes, what happens in Vermont is VERY important to me, NOT!

34 posted on 09/05/2001 11:48:13 AM PDT by 101viking
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To: VoodooEconomist
BTW, I am not a smoker.

You may not be a smoker but you are SURE not a nico-nazi trying to run anybodys life either.
If we had more NONSMOKERS like you that 'get it' this wouldn't be a problem.

35 posted on 09/05/2001 11:48:19 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Wright is right!
Michael, we live in sad times. I have heard that some of the loudest screamers of the No Smoking Movement, smoke and drink with the best of them behind closed doors. I believe it.

I have nothing to hide. I smoke where ever I am able.

One thing about being a smoker: we can be out in the public and not bitch about ANY of them. Right? :)

36 posted on 09/05/2001 11:49:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: DallasDeb
So, just where would smokers eat if all the restaurants are no-smoking allowed?

In one Maryland community, the liberal anti-Smoking Nazis weren't satisfied with smoke-free restaurants. They were going to ban smoking outdoors anywhere within the limits of the town. So for those of you who think coercive liberals plan on stopping at restaurants ... or just with smoking, think again. It's already started with car phones. Next will be donuts or listening to the radio. Don't laugh. WHen liberals run out of causes, they pursue really stupid things - all having coercion in common (e.g. reparations).

37 posted on 09/05/2001 11:50:17 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: VoodooEconomist
Voodoo, there is a WORLD of difference between the non-smoker and the ANTI-smoker! A BIG difference.
38 posted on 09/05/2001 11:52:29 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: VoodooEconomist
There is always a group out there wanting to tell the other group how to live their lives. The public is the public...ALL PEOPLES. I will never understand how the bans got this far. I guess we are guilty of sitting on our hands all these years, letting them have their way.

But, times are a changin, and we are working our butts off trying to stop all the discrimination against smokers, and the Junk Science.

39 posted on 09/05/2001 11:55:58 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe
Did'nt say anything about a quarter, they said three months. Also, they had to compare with a three month period for each year three years prior

I didn't see that. That makes it tougher. Then we need to change what we sell or cut hours for a three month period. It shouldn't be too costly to close up during the slowest times to be sure to qualify for the two year exemption. Assuming this was a blanket deal and I qualified for the exemption I could earn myself the right to have the only smoking restaurant in the area just by closing on Monday for three months. After the down time I would be back and running with my own little monopoly.

40 posted on 09/05/2001 12:00:41 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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