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RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKETS DISMISSED
KFMB.com/WorldNetDaily ^ | 6-4-2001 | KFMB.com Staff

Posted on 09/05/2001 2:47:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP

RED LIGHT CAMERA TICKETS DISMISSED

(09-04-2001) - A judge Tuesday dismissed 250 tickets issued through San Diego's red light camera program, ruling that a private contractor's involvement in the system made evidence inadmissable [sic] at trial.

Superior Court Judge Ronald Styn ruled that the city's decision to contract with Lockheed Martin to run the program, combined with a contingency fee, made evidence gathered from the red light cameras "unreliable" and "untrustworthy."

Styn, in upholding his Aug. 15 tentative decision, ruled that the city failed to operate the red light system as outlined by the Legislature.

He also said the agreement for Lockheed Martin to get $70 for each $271 ticket paid made evidence obtained from the system inadmissable [sic] in court.

City officials will decide soon whether to appeal Styn's ruling, Deputy City Attorney Steven Hansen said.

Attorneys in the case said the judge's ruling affects only the 250 red light citations that were consolidated for trial.

A class action lawsuit filed Thursday by four groups of plaintiffs alleges Lockheed Martin was illegally allowed to run the red light program, and that the private company had an illegal financial incentive by taking the $70 for each ticket paid.

All 19 red light cameras in the city of San Diego have been turned off pending completion of an inspection of the entire system.

A hearing is scheduled Oct. 4 on a defense motion to disqualify the San Diego City Attorney's Office from prosecuting any pending or future red light cases.

What do you think of red-light cameras to enforce traffic laws? <-----Weigh in with your opinion here!


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To: MeeknMing
It's World Net Daily and they won't spam you.

Thanks for the info. I still feel uncomfortable with having to provide an email address just to participate in a poll, but its their web site and if it works for them ...

Just my cranky opinion: They should really consider setting a cookie or recording an IP or something else instead of requiring an email address to indicate that a surfer has already voted.

21 posted on 12/31/1969 4:00:00 PM PST by strela
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To: sam_paine
I knew the results had been skewed by these weirdos leaping into the poll.

Oh please. As if "freeping a poll" is not common practice around here.

Whether it's wierdo homo's or libertarian freepers, internet polls are always skewed. Hell, all polls are skewed.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Somehow, it just doesn't seem sick when FReepers Freep a poll versus the queers doing that? ;-)

22 posted on 09/05/2001 8:18:47 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: SirTaurus
thanks for the flag
23 posted on 09/05/2001 9:29:52 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: cruiserman / gobshite
Gobshite is an Irish slang term for b*llsh*tter (among other things), which is what this poster is. Here's an article discussing Arizona's extensive use of speeding cameras.
    SMILE!
    You're on red-light camera

    July 30, 2001

    By JOEY LEDFORD
    Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

    Phoenix -- Doris Ramirez was quite upset when she opened her mailbox and found a citation accusing her of running a red light.

    After studying the photo images of her car in the intesection, superimposed on the ticket from the Mesa Police Department, she remembered the day in question. She said one image also helped her remember that she had been delayed in the intersection by a red coupe in front of her that had slowed to turn into a gas station.

    But a stone-faced Municipal Court judge wouldn't buy her story. "The court finds the state has met its burden of proof," said Judge Joy Kemp after a brief bench trial. "I'm finding you responsible."

    Red light camera enforcement is a way of life in the aptly named Valley of the Sun. Five cities in the Phoenix area have used the high-tech enforcement for up to 14 years, and Phoenix itself is expecting its first red light cameras to be shooting offenders within weeks.

    [article continues at linked page...]

Gobshite is also wrong on the meaning of "without prejudice." Far from barring a party to litigation from further pursuit of the same matter in the courts, it specifically permits that party to do this.
24 posted on 09/05/2001 10:15:45 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: MeeknMing
bttt
25 posted on 09/05/2001 11:27:44 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: gobshite
The decision was scathing and made without prejudice, meaning the author didn't ever want to return to the issue.

In which case I think you meant to say with prejudice.

26 posted on 09/05/2001 11:35:09 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961 / gobshite
Gobshite is as mixed up on the law as he is on everything else. In his post, he refers to running a red light as a misdemeanor, but in California (the jurisdiction in the posted article) this offense is an infraction, not a misdemeanor.
27 posted on 09/05/2001 11:45:07 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Thanks for the clarification. Otherwise I'd have to go back to Scottsdale and sue their a$$e$ for my red light ticket :).
28 posted on 09/05/2001 2:35:37 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: cruiserman
LOL! Personally, I like the Italian system. If a cop sees you going through a red light and he can also see that there is no approaching cross-traffic, he concludes that the signal is "stupido" and he leaves you alone. The same reasoning is applied to pedestrians. Why should a man have to stand there like a piece of statuary when no traffic is coming and life is so short?
29 posted on 09/05/2001 9:56:21 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Why should a man have to stand there like a piece of statuary when no traffic is coming and life is so short?

I ask myself that question every day while waiting at red protected left arrows with no oncoming traffic. Arrgghhh!!!

30 posted on 09/06/2001 7:29:00 AM PDT by cruiserman
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To: gobshite
Then why are cameras so prevalent in the Valley?  Most especially Scottsdale and Phoenix.
31 posted on 09/06/2001 7:52:47 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: gobshite
These are not cameras in private corps.  These are traffic cameras (the most notorious of which is at Shea & Scottsdale).  They are becoming quite common here.
33 posted on 09/06/2001 10:50:08 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Once again, gobshite misses the point entirely.

As you and I both know, cameras are prevalent in the valley because court challenges to their use have not been upheld. Contrary to what gobshite is claiming, they are legal, just as metal detectors in airports and court houses are legal, just as motion detectors at subway turnstiles are legal, and just as parking meters are legal. Over and over, courts have ruled that there is no expectation of individual privacy in public places not specifically designated as private. IOW, a closed bathroom stall, changing booth or phone booth will ordinarily imply a legal expectation of privacy. Only in such places and in one's home, vehicle, boat, private office, etc. is there a constitutional protection against surveillance without warrant. But on all other public property, government property or property belonging to another, there is no such freedom from scrutiny, technologically enhanced or not. If a near-sighted security guard may enhance legitimate surveillance with the technical aid of eye-glasses, why can't a city traffic bureau enhance its legitimate surveillance of traffic with the technical aid of speed sensors and cameras?

34 posted on 09/06/2001 11:42:09 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: HEFFERNAN2
no precedent set here, it was for 250 tickets that were givin in a problematic way as it only applies to those tickets. The camera system is turned off and they are figuring out ways to better 'tune' the systems.
35 posted on 09/06/2001 11:58:51 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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